Hi there,
Does the HP Advantage module include a Math module in it?
Thanks,
Andreas
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03-10-2006, 04:29 PM
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03-10-2006, 05:34 PM
The Advantage module does not include the MATH module per se. It does offer other mathematical operations like SOLVE (coded using fast microcode), INTEGRATE, Matrix operations, and oher calculations. The Advantage module brought to the HP-41C/CV/CX features that appeared in the HP-15C which many felt were very importaant. Namir ▼
03-10-2006, 08:34 PM
Thanks Namir,
03-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Hello Andreas, If you want to hear about the contents of the Advantage Module, in the voice of Richard Nelson (PPC), take a look at this old posting:
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03-10-2006, 09:30 PM
Thanks Gerson. Very enlightening.
03-13-2006, 02:47 PM
I've made a few additions and corrections to Gerson's transcript. Here it is in its entirety:
12, 12, 12, 12! Richard Nelson with your CHUU Bulletin number 12, New Product News:
Since PPC has preannounced Hewlett-Packard's new HP-41 Advantage ROM,
All listeners are asked: not to contact HP regarding this product.
The HP-41 Advantage ROM is a 12K collection of the most popular programs
The first is -ADV CONV for Advantage Conversions with 12 functions like
The second header is -ADV MTRX for Advantage Matrix with 52 routines;
The third header is -ADV MATH with 47 routines including: Solve and
The fourth header is -ADV TVM for Advantage Time Value of Money
This ROM will be offered free to those who buy an HP-41CV or CX from
In addition to providing a powerful mix of Finance, Math and Stat
Additional detail in future bulletins. Remember that this is pre-release
CHHU report: CHHU is on financial hold. The primary project is the
03-10-2006, 08:39 PM
Hi, Andreas:
You may also want to download and have a look at my 9-page article It will probably give you a fair idea of what it is, what it can do, and its programming style. Best regards from V. ▼
03-10-2006, 09:53 PM
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03-10-2006, 11:21 PM
Hi again, Andreas: Andreas posted: "I might have to return the machine with the Advantage module though." A real pity.
"If I I'm no expert in Clonix, there are much more knowledgeable people in this forum. I would think yes, except for the fact that Advantage is a 12 Kb ROM which does use bank switching, and I simply don't know if Clonix allows for this or not, though I'd guess yes. Let's the real experts talk.
"Also, I have another quick question: when I do an EMDIR on the CX, I only get 124 It's perfectly normal. To get 600 EMS registers you would need to plug in two EMS modules, each one of them adding 238 EMS registers to the 124 already built-in, for a total of 600. Best regards from V. ▼
03-10-2006, 11:32 PM
Valentin, ▼
03-10-2006, 11:45 PM
Hi, Andreas: Andreas posted: "Is it true that those are Extended Memory registers?" Yes. "In other words, the HP-41CX still has four times the memory a regular HP-41C has" Five times, not four: 320- versus 64-, where the "-" means part of the 320th register (64th register) isn't available to the user. Best regards from V.
03-11-2006, 12:00 AM
Andreas -- Getting an HP-41CX with Advantage Module is pretty good. You might consider keeping the unit, even with the absence of the Math Pac. Math Pac's were widely sold, being the most basic upgrade, and can routinely be obtained on eBay for < $20, complete. Even better is a combined Math/Stat Pac. The Advantage Pac has much of the the functionality from the Math Pac, but does lack a few items, including triangle solutions, Fourier analyses, and hyperbolics. The Math Pac contains 4 kB of code, all of it as RPN routines. The Advantage Pac contains 12 kB of code, much of it as sophisticated, faster-running microprocessor code. On X-memory: 124 registers of X-memory is built into the CX. Two 238-register X-Memory chips are required in order to achieve the maximum 600 registers. You might find this archived link helpful: A question from 2003 about PPC and Advantage ROM's -- KS ▼
03-11-2006, 02:04 AM
Oh, wow. This is awsome. I loved it. Thanks Karl. Well, maybe I should learn how to use the 'Search the Museum' link. (!@%&*?) (Sorry Vassili... - I'm jokingly referring to the post that set JE off...)
03-11-2006, 11:12 AM
Quote: If you didn't like that 41CX, you should consider keeping the Advantage Module if you get it for a reasonable price. Although you can have the Advantage for free using Clonix, I think the power consumption would be somewhat high compared with the original ROM module. On the other hand, people who use Clonix and other peripherals a lot generally rely on rechargeable Ni-Cd cells, so power consumption would not be a problem. Regards, Gerson. ▼
03-11-2006, 04:11 PM
Gerson, ▼
03-11-2006, 06:59 PM
Hello Andreas, You may use Ni-MH cells, but they have to be recharged outside the calculator, on a charger specifically designed for them. By what I know, lower capacity Ni-Cd cells are still used because they are compatible with old rechargers. The only lithium cells I know are those button-type 3V batteries. There's a lot a past threads about the subject, the easiest way to find them is doing a google search for, say, site:www.hpmuseum.org Ni-Cd batteries. Regards, Gerson ▼
03-11-2006, 10:16 PM
Gerson, ▼
03-11-2006, 11:11 PM
Google just keeps the whole Museum site (and zillions of others) indexed on a regular basis. I don't know how exactly they do this and I think they wouldn't tell us, or would they? :-) http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html Now, seriously, there's also a search tool in the Museum: But I confess I don't remember how to use it. Regards, Gerson. ▼
03-12-2006, 06:19 AM
Being from Europe originally, and still keeping abreast all the news developments, I have been listening to tons of news stories lately about bird flu in different countries there. If the avian flu crosses the Atlantic (with the rate it exists in Europe), I worry that Google's results won't be as accurate any more. Maybe the scattered reports of avian flu lately in the U.S. might be the cause of their stock decline lately! (I really enjoyed the article...)
03-12-2006, 06:23 AM
The battery contacts of the CX are corroded. If I get to keep the machine, is there any way to tell if the battery acid/base might have spread inside? Does anyone know if there is a fairly easy way to open the machine without breaking anything? If the machine works now but the liquid has spread inside, are there significant chances for the machine to die soon? |