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EbayTruth@yahoo.com strikes again...favor?



#26

Hi all. Our price-police busybody struck again. Got an email telling me that only ignorant people would bid on my ebay auctions. Then he accused me of misleading with my auction descriptions...Sure, that's how I got feedback of +325. ;-)

Anyway, do any of you see anything misleading in this auction or its description?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212539533

I'd like to know. I think I took great pains to put good pictures of the "problem" areas on this HP67.

What do you all think?
Gene


#27

Gene,

I see nothing wrong with your auction, especially since you're saying such nice things about the replaced battery terminal that may, by the looks of it, be the one I did for you :-)


Viktor


#28

I checked your auction, current highest bidder is a fellow belgian that is has just joined our community of international hp collectors.

If you check my "me" page on ebay (user ID = visu), you'll see the picture of a HP 67 set I sold to one of our fellow members fir USD 200.

I thought this was a good price for both of us, and if someone of us accepted this price it definitely means that is was worth it. Yours seems a bit more complete and in the same condition, so the current price doesn't seem weird to me.

After all, the price of a thing at a certain moment is what the market is ready to pay for it at that moment.. that's why 41CX's go sometimes above the USD 200 on ebay after a week without seeing one there, though they're USD 150 worth....


#29

I appreciate the replies of you two.

I know that Ebaytruth@yahoo.com is just someone with too much time on their hands (or he has some sort of imbalance that causes him to need to do these things), but I wanted external validation that I was trying to disclose fairly the condition of my auction item.

My feedback on ebay is at a +325 right now. The two negatives are not related to the condition of an item (one was from an idiot who dinged me because his email he sent to me bounced (like that was my fault?), the other was a weird incident where my emails to a person in Italy never reached him and his never reached me...quite unfortunate!). The neutral comments are from people who are no longer registered.

Add to that the fact that I've had a HP and TI website up since 1997 and have contributed pictures to Wlodek's HP book. I just get PO'd at some calculator-police nut who thinks he can tell me what something should sell for or tell me that I'm misleading the buyers.

Sorry for the rant. I just needed some reassurance from my fellow collectors that I'm a good guy. :-)

Gene


#30

"Add to that the fact that I've had a HP and TI website up since 1997"

Add to that the fact that since years before and after that, you've spammed hundreds of non-calculator news groups weekly with your "I'm a poor old kook who can't pay much but I'm looking for old HP calculators" messages. :-)

Come on Gene, ebay pays you well enough to put up with the occasional email. Please deal with it like an adult.


#31

I can vouch for Gene as fair and I have bought from him. I certainly would not blame anyone for picking up a bargain by a willing seller either as long as they did not intentionally misrepresent the value as an expert.


#32

I guess the question is what is the "fair price" or "fair markup" for spam? In my opinion, less than zero.

As for "as long as they did not intentionally misrepresent the value as an expert." That's an interesting distinction. I think you're saying it's OK to BE and expert and offer low. You just can't LET THEM KNOW you're an expert and offer low.


#33

Before I reply, Rick M. are you by any chance JK ebaytruth? ;+}


#34

Could you please suggest that I might ebay truth too? ;-)


#35

Hi Dave, I'd just like to know, if you're ebaytruth :-)

I haven't even got an email til now. Maybe I should buy something for a ridiculously huge price to get into the club :-)

I haven to admit, that my last eBay deals were test equipment and there's nobody complaining about prices. This might have to do with the ridiculous price niveaus the used equipment dealers show on their websites.

When asking them about the real price of some items, they loose their trousers rather fast :-)


#36

You say you're an active user of ebay and not receiving these emails. A logical explanation for that is that it's because you're sending them. I think you could be ebay truth ;-)


#37

Hey, I'm in the list of the suspects (at last). I already felt not taken seriously as a collector, when I was not mentioned :-)

Somehow I feel, that the prices on eBay are getting more and more crazy, but I have to admit, that some of my bids are in your "Prices and Rarity" list (remember the last "red dot" HP-35 ?). There are also other outstanding entries in the list, that are caused by my eBay perations.

BTW: abt. one and a half year ago I got a complete boxed stainless steel HP-01 for abt $350 (DM 700) on German eBay. You see, understanding German has it's benefits. You can add this to the list, if you like. Bidding on a HP-01 is an operation for the really crazy guys.

Unfortunately the bids on the recently selling 9100A got so high, that I even didn't have the chance to bid on it. I just wanted to show presence in this auction, but not for $1700 :-)

So I wouldn't have any reason to complain about the crazy prices, because I'm ready to pay them myself.

Additionally, my self-understanding is, that I'm man enough to not hide behind an unknown yahoo email address. I feel, I can say, what I want without hiding. And how crazy the prices get, I'd never interfere with other people's bids.


#38

"You see, understanding German has it's benefits"

Or as the man said while we were haggling over a calculator in Munich: "You should learn German. I had to!"

I've added your HP-01 price. I get people complaining that the prices in the list are too high which is probably true because I've been taking the easy way out and only tracking auctions. On the other hand I also get complaints that I missed a new record high auction.

#39

Only if you start going by Dave M. or something else will you be suspect ;+}! JK ebaytruth seems to have many aliases, or is that alia?

#40

No. Are you "Gene"? Oh never mind. I understand that this is just a diversion. :-)


#41

Actually Gene and I co-founded the Nashville Area Branch of people who discuss calculators all the time and we are not the same person. ;+}


#42

Ah the NABOPWDCATT.

Seriously Frank, now that I understand that I'm talking about behavior in the abstract and you're talking about your friend I can see how we're never going to agree so let's drop this.

#43

>I just needed some reassurance from my fellow collectors that I'm a good guy

Thanks to the power of free email accounts, I've been able to have conversations with you both as a collector and as a typical naive owner of an old calculator who responded to one of your spams. Based on that, I would have to say that you're a highly successful used calculator dealer. Does that make you a "good guy"? I don't know. Personally, I think the world could do without used car and used calculator dealers. However, they obviously appeal to many people because they stay in business. Maybe I'm not a "good guy" either for tricking you into showing both sides of your business. Sorry.

You're a successful businessman. Criticism comes with the job. It wasn't even public until you made it that way. I don't think it's a big deal.


#44

Criticizing someone without naming yourself is very low.

Cut the guy some slack.


#45

Please don't use multiple names to back up your position when you post here. If you're concerned about privacy, It's OK to use a name that can't be used to identify you but please stick to just one name.

"Don" I know who you are. Before this post, I was considering your email request to censor this thread. It was a difficult issue but your posting under an assumed name (and criticizing someone for what you just did) has simplified it for me. I will not delete the messages you don't like

I really dislike having to make posts like this.

#46

> Our price-police busybody struck again. Got an email
> telling me that only ignorant people would bid on my
> ebay auctions. Then he accused me of misleading with
> my auction descriptions...

This will be my one and only comment on this posting, to
you. You seem to have a guilty conscience.

1) You fail to tell everyone that this email that you
refer to was a _response_ to an email that _you_ sent me.

2) The content of the email said _nothing_ about anyone
being ignorant. And no where did it say that you were
misleading. Your description, in fact, was quite
accurate.

3) It was simply a response to your _boasting_ (to me) how you were getting way more than the $130 that I predicted.

4) I simply pointed out that my prediction said $130, unless
you got a newbie to bid on it. Fess up, that's what _this_ email said. Why do you feel the need to exagerate the content and tone?

That was the sum total of the email. Why do you feel the need to bring to a public forum something that no one else ever saw and was simply a response to _your_ email.

It is true that it is none of my business. I simply pointed
out what I thought you might get. If you did not need
the suggestion, fine. Communication would have ended there had you not continued to communicate with me on the progress of your auction.

99% of all of the emails that ebaytruth sent were just emails that told people where they could get HP merchandize at rock bottom prices. When I started collecting HPs, readers of this forum emailed me that same information.

In closing, I would like to point out one fact, that you learn in psychology 101. A person who makes up an email content and uses words such as _ignorant_ is using words from his mind not mine. It shows what _you_ think and not what I said.

J.K.


#47

1. Yes, this second email you sent WAS in reply to my initial response to your unsolicited email to me. Guilty.

2. True, you did not use the word "ignorant" about my ebay bidders. You stated "newbie" which I took to mean "uninformed". Think that's correct.

3. I did not "boast" to you that I was getting away with anything. I pointed out how your "truth" prediction of about $130 on my auction was apparently flawed. This was also the case on those auctions you emailed me about from 2 weeks ago - they sold for much more than you had predicted - again unsolicited, I might add.

4. No need to exaggerate anything. You feel the need to email people unsolicited and accuse them (me anyway) of providing misleading information in their auction listings. Find something better to do with your time.

Sorry, but if you bring it upon yourself to email people, you can't shirk responsibility away if they decide to tell you how uninformed you may be.

My conscience is fine. Apparently, your impressions of the auction listing is not shared by those on this forum. That's what I wanted to confirm.

So, in addition to being a price police person, you're also a pyschologist? What does your psych training say about someone who emails sellers telling them they are asking too much or have done this or that without their desire to communicate with you?

The emails that ebaytruth may have sent to bidders on ebay were against ebay policies. Violating rules is another of your traits?

I'm hardly ignorant of HP's or calculators. Not at all. I support them and sell extras that I get and have a very good reputation. What's your reputation and how has it been established? We'll wait.

Continue being the ebay auction price police if you want. But if you continue sending unsolicited email you'll only annoy people who do not wish to talk to you.

Free country, I guess.
Gene

#48

IT'S HIM!! Ebaytruth just found, alias John King, JK, who knows what else..........

#49

Obviously this person has a lot of time on his hand to waste. Only issues are if you greatly misrepresent a product as working or cosmetic condition. Obviously for any transaction on EBay the risk is taken by the buyer and noone should be too surprised when things are too good to be true or greatly overpriced. EBay is prone to shill bidding by buddies or by fake e-mail addresses.

#50

Glad to hear your part of the team! I thought I was the only one originally!
Frank


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