Carly just resigned or let's do another attempt revive the calc business unit ;-)



#23

see title


#24

?!?

#25

See link at:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/09/technology/hp_fiorina/index.htm

Namir

<sings> Oh Happy day ... Oh Happy daaaaaaaaayyy ... Oh Happy Daaaayyyy ... When Carlie walks ... When Carlie walks ... When Carlie walks away ... Oh Happy day ... Oh it's Happy Day!!

<smile>


#26

Namir,

although I like your song very much (LOL) I wouldn't expect to much from that change. The article says:

<<

But during a conference call Wednesday morning, HP CFO Robert Wayman, who was named interim CEO, suggested that no major changes in strategy would take place following Fiorina's departure.

"We continue to believe we have the right ingredients for success in the marketplace," Wayman said during the call.

>>

A long time ago, HP really did have the right ingredients: superior engineering and quality! But it seems the guys at HP don't remember these glory days...

Regards, Juergen


#27

Oh we don't. . . but anything is better than her. ;-) Apparently most other people thik so as well since HP stock went up 7% after the news came out. =)

Everyone else seems to think that she helped HP increase its speed going the wrong way with its buisiness plan.


#28

Quote:
HP stock went up 7% after the news came out. =)
If market reaction is this one, I see HP going in the right way. The biggest question might be: why took it so long?

Cheers.

Luiz (Brazil)

#29

There are a few other songs you may sing too. First: what was Carly mission? Making money or making history with everlasting calculators?? (The $$$ on her own account look not so bad, I would be glad to be her gardener...)

Second: Is there such a dictatorship in bussines that you may blame _one_ person for all ups and downs of a company?

Next (back to quality issues): look around, where do you still get goods that last for a decade or longer? After 18 yrs I had to buy a new washing machine only because a spare electro motor would be more expensive as completely new machine. What makes me even more angry: the seller told me that none of the new machines will last that long any more.

That's only an OT example, but it shows the trend: quality is history.

Ciao.....Mike


#30

Here's some more anecdotal evidence of better quality, reliability and durability in the good, old days.

I purchased a Maytag washing machine for $450 in May 1981. I replaced it with another Maytag for $406 in December 2004 which had more features but doesn't seem as solidly built. I had kept the first machine running with belt replacements, siphon break repairs and hose replacements. I had also replaced the timer mechanism three times. In the process I identified a failure mode in the timer which was not known to the manufacturer. I had to give up on the machiine when the main seal failed. While shopping for a replacement at a Sears store a salesman told me that he hoped that I did not expect that a replacement machine would last as long. The consumer price index has more than doubled since 1981. I'm not sure whether or not I could have obtained the same feel of quality and durability if had been willing to pay $900.00 for a replacement machine.

I purchased a Craftsman gas-powered edger for $72 in December 1970. Those were the days when people bought Craftsman tools expecting them to last for a lifetime. Thirty-four years later it still works. I have replaced several belts and blades. When the edger stopped working recently I found that there was a cracked diaphragm in the carburetor. Remarkably, the Sears repair center still provides a carburetor repair kit which includes the diaphragm for about five dollars plus about another five dollars for shipping and handling. I obtained a replacement diaphragm for $1.20 from a local mower repair shop. The edger is now running as well as when it was new. The consumer price index has increased by about a factor of four since 1970.

Those two anecdotes illustrate the quality, durability and maintainability of appliances manuactured 20 to 30 years ago. That was the same time period when calculators such as the HP-35, HP-67 and HP-41 came on the market. Those machines are among the ones which had the "solid feel" and heft which are so much admired by those who love to dwell on the "good old days". There is little doubt that the calculators coming on the market today do not have the same feel. But consider price and capability. Would anyone today really pay two to three times the 1970's price of an HP-67 for the same capability? I doubt it, and so does Hewlett-Packard.

Finally, I note the glee which the departure of Ms. Fiorino has generated in the participants in the forum. I am reminded of the old anecdote in which someone supposedly said "Cheer up. Things could be worse". So I cheered up, and sure enough, things did get worse.


#31

I think a better example would be a modern scientific programmable calc such as the 33s. $50 range. The profit margins for such machines are astronomical, but HP (like the majority of manufacturers today) will sacrifice quality of build to gain every extra fraction of a cent they can squeeze out of each unit. Reducing parts count, minimizing materials, etc. accomplish that economic goal. Quality, consistency, and reliability are what create customer loyalty.

As usual I'm reiterating my strong belief that people are more than willing to pay for quality. It is highly unlikely that HP will ever pose a serious threat to TI in the education market. It is equally unlikely that a popular TI scientific calculator will sell on ebay for 3 or 4 times its' original retail value after being discontinued.

Has this community ever attempted a massive mailing campaign directed at the HP CEO? Perhaps when the next one is chosen it would be worth a shot to launch a massive letter-writing campaign appealing to her/him to either offer a couple of high-end "professional" models or to drop their current direction (I liken their current line to the new coke) in favor of their old niche.

Just my $2E-2... I think it's worth a shot.

Best Regards,
HDE

#32

Palmer said,

Quote:
Here's some more anecdotal evidence of better quality, reliability and durability in the good, old days.

Valentin also made a similar post regarding his early '80s Sony CD portable player, and I couldn't agree more.

I think that the 1980's and early 1990's were a "golden era" of consumer products. Granted, certain technological products were immature or unavailable (e.g., PC's and cellular telephones). However, most other commonplace products were well-built with sensible design and styling.

Today, however, gaudiness prevails over soundness in a market of low prices but razor-thin profit margins. It is as though manufacturers are compelled to grab consumers' attention with bizarre stylization in order to gain that critical bit of market share for profitability.

The development of capable and cheap electronics, as well as access to very inexpensive labor in mainland China and Mexico (via NAFTA) has drasitially reduced the price of consumer goods. However, the newer products are often not well-engineered or durable because low price and rapid obsolecence makes that a losing proposition.

Here are some of my everyday "things", which I still use on a regular basis. Many of these I bought new.

  1. Cars:
    1986 VW and 1989 BMW. Well-built, straightforwardly engineered, cleanly styled. Many of today's cars are stylized and gimmicky, and I would refuse to own one, depite the technological improvements.

  2. Wristwatch:
    1981 Seiko duodisplay. After 24 years, I just had the crystal replaced and minor repairs made at their national Service Center. Still works great and keeps good time. I'm told that the newer ones aren't made as well inside.

  3. Television:
    1988 Zenith 19". $329 new. Doesn't have superimposed graphics or RGB input for DVD player, but does have sharp NTSC picture and displays the channel below the screen. Remote control is easy to hold and use.

  4. Shaver:
    1989 Braun AC. Simple, clean, and straightforward. Not cordless, no fancy cleaning system, no LED displays.

  5. Vacuum cleaner:
    1985 Eureka canister with solid metal case. Have you seen the colorful plastic stylized monstrosities in the stores? Maybe they have HEPA filters, but I just can't stand them.

  6. Calculators:
    I own and use most of the HP calcs based on models orginally released during the period 1979-1988. The ones designed later (48G, 33S) just don't measure up in ease of use.

-- KS

#33

My thoughts went to the song in the Wizard of OZ.

Ding Dong the witch is dead.

It will be interesting to see if Robert Wayman the new interim CEO tries to change anything or will wait until a new CEO is found before things change. Robert Wayman although being the head of the Finance Department has been with the company for 35 years. So he should know what the HP Way is and how the company was run in the past.

#34

Celebrate, celebrate, dance to the music.

#35

Major corporations know that their products need to sell and they know that their company needs to make a profit. Fiorina was dumped because she was doing neither. She was a power monger - holding three titles at the top of a major company. But, the Peter Principle kicked in and out she went. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.

However, those of you hoping for a new 15C, pull youself out of the 70's. Unless the permanent CEO has a woody for old calcs or was an ex-engineer, we're likely to see much of the same in the calc area. HP's main source of income is the printer and PC market, not calcs.

Though, since the Big F's free ride is over, there is always hope, I guess.

#36

There was a comment on this website in a post saying that HP has become an entertainment (mostly camera) company!

Well, will all this songs breaking out for Carly's departure, maybe WE CAN HELP HP BECOME A MUSIC COMPANY AND RIVAL APPLE ... and maybe while we're at it (as in our voices being heard in HP) ... we CAN bring back the HP15C.

<wicked smile>

Namir

#37

I'm not a Carly fan either, but... "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

Temper your elation, the final results are yet to be seen!!

#38

"resigning", "stepping down" and another opinion...


#39

From that USA Today story: "H-P board members said they fired Fiorina because she failed to execute a planned strategy of slashing costs and boosting revenue as quickly as directors had hoped. Many on Wall Street hope the company will spin off its printing division, which delivers most of H-P's profit."

What the hell is wrong with this company? They want to spin off the printers? That's the division that makes money! I guess they're going to let Epson take the lead... and if you don't have a profitable business, well, you don't have a business.

Every thing I've read about HP over the recent years indicates that the company is run by stupid people who just happen to be good at high-finance bullying. Even the esteemed Messrs. Hewlitt and Packard went insane (i.e., worrying too much about overpopulation like Ted Turner). I hope the Monterrey Aquarium won't suffer.

Hey, maybe they'll "spin off" the entire calculator line to Radio Shack or something.

#40

Here is a article that actually mentions the word calculators in it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20050209/ap_on_hi_te/hp_s_technology


#41

I noted that Ms. Fiorna got more in severance pay than the value of the Calculator Division. It is hard for me to imagine that HP would put major resources into calculators as the chief demand is for schools and TI pretty much has that market locked up.

However, as a long-time purchaser and user of HP calculators, I would buy a HP-49G+ or a HP-42 with I/O if it was up to HP's old quality standards.

I still hope that HP will produce quality calculators. I would not even mind if they were Algebraic rather than RPN.


#42

Hey, guys! Carly was the best looking CEO in today's corporate America! Let's not forget about that, and wish her good luck in her future assignments, and congratulate her with her severance package! As far as a return to the calculators business is concerned ... I am pessimistic, and no matter who the new CEO is, or whether or not, he/she is an engineer, HP will never go back to the good ol' days of the 11c, 15c, 42cv, 32s, and so on ...

Greetings,


#43

Come on! Martha Stewart is much, much hotter!

Has anyone (else) here read "Perfect Enough: Carly Fiorina and the Reinvention of Hewlett-Packard"? Firstly, Carly's a dog and doesn't even know how to use a calculator, any brand. Secondly, from what I read, I am really not all that surprised that HP went down the tubes. H and P were brilliant, and they had brilliant kids - or so it seemed... In actuality, they're all insane. The fight for this soulless company is pretty well detailed in the book, though it is a love letter to Carly.

What I also gathered from the book is this: did they actually know they had such a devout calculator following? If so, why didn't they follow Apple's model and be extremely happy with a solic less-than-ten percent of the market share? Did they actually care about their consumer customers?

#44

Problem is that we are not talking about only of calculators. We are talking about the percepction of a company no devoted any more to build quality products. When I thought in the past about HP(only using their calculators), i was really sure that any other product could be excellent. Today, I prefer to buy an Apple notebook or IBM thinkpad instead an HP, because I have concerns about HP's quality reputation


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