HP 15c Sky rocket price



#2

Have you seen the price that somebody has willing to pay for an almost new HP 15c on Ebay?

1986 Hewlett-Packard HP-15C Calculator Item number: 5744641551

Actually when I wrote this message is : $485.01

Please somebody must stop this madness!

Best regards

Rafael Magallanes Quintanar


#3

That price is not actually surprising. I have seen prices over $500. A HP 10C (NIB) sold for over $600 a few days ago.

How much is a non functional unit worth?


#4

How much is a non functional unit worth?

Nothing, if you ask me ...


#5

I dunno about that. Parts are always useful.

Here's one on ebay that has a near-perfect case and a flaky display:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58039&item=5744986872&rd=1

Put that together with a unit with a scratched-up case and perfect electronics and you have a working, cosmetically near perfect unit.

What I can't fathom is why people want to pay astronomical prices for NIB units. Open the box and you devalue them by more than 50%. So you can never use the things!

- Steve.

Edited: 22 Jan 2005, 6:28 a.m.

#6

Madness? No! I wish the prices go even higher so I can sell one of my mint HP-15 and retire on that money ;>

1234

#7

I have a HP-16C, still sealed in cellophane foil for $500. THIS is really what I call MINT condition! Interested?

Matthias

#8

Hola, Rafael:

Rafael wrote: "Actually when I wrote this message is : $485.01. Please somebody must stop this madness!"

Madness !? I think it's actually quite a reasonable price for what seems to be a complete (box and all), mint, never-used HP-15C. Matter of fact, I think the bids will get even higher near the auction's end.

As for stopping it, why ? This is a free market, isn't it ? Any seller is entitled to ask as much as he/she wants for their product and any buyer is entitled to pay as much as he/she wish and can afford. What right does anyone have to interfere and "stop it" ? It's not like an HP-15C is any vital product which the masses need to survive.

But come to think of it, no serious and self-respecting HP calculator fan/lover can be without an HP-15C, let alone collectors. There are just this many original HP-15Cs left in the world, there will never be more, and each passing year there are even less, a few ones having sadly succumbed to chewing dogs, toddlers and the like. Not having one (or several, as a backup) while you can (and even if you don't) borders on the unthinkable, and even on the irresponsible. :-)

Next week I'll post here one of my Mini-Challenges for it, and maybe even a useful program as well, so you can better appreciate its incredible capabilities. As a pure calculator with useful programming features, it's one of the very best in the world and certainly, the most elegant, rugged, and well-built. My original one has used up just two battery
sets in 24+ years, and seems like new. That says a lot.
That's now worth a lot. Else, take the KinHPo way.

Best regards from V.


#9

Hi Valentin, all;

first of all, Valentin, forgive me not mentioning 'how good it is to have you back' earlier. My fault and a lack of politeness of mine. I sincerely hope you accept my apologies. d8^)

Now for the news: I borrowed original, English written, single volume 'Six Stories by Douglas Adams' (my younger brother's) and I'm getting my spirit ready to read it. Your indication, remember?

About your "Long Live the HP42S": congratulations. I did not read it YET, but I'm sure it will give me some delightfull moments when reading. You know, I'm a big fan of it and (please, forgive me!) sometimes I am not sure if I like it more than the HP15C or conversely. I worship both, one at a time. Oops! Hope this is not an heresy...

About the HP15C, Valentin wrote:

Quote:
As a pure calculator with useful programming features, it's one of the very best in the world and certainly, the most elegant, rugged, and well-built.

Just to add: 'Nothing to add!' and 'Very truth!'

Best regards!

Luiz (Brazil)

(PS: yet without a working spell checker; feel free adding corrections, please...)


#10

Hi, Luiz:

Luiz posted: "first of all, Valentin, forgive me not mentioning 'how good it is to have you back' earlier. My fault and a lack of politeness of mine. I sincerely hope
you accept my apologies."

Thanks Luiz, but as always, you're being far too kind to my humble person, no need to apologize for anything, of course.
I'm also glad to read your always interesting, amiable
postings.

"Now for the news: I borrowed original, English written, single volume 'Six Stories by Douglas Adams' (my younger brother's) and I'm getting my spirit ready to read it. Your indication, remember?"

Great ! :-) I'm sure you'll like it a lot, but be warned that it's choke-full with word games, innuendos, obscure references and all kind of dirty verbal tricks, mostly harmless of course but still ... In other words, it might prove slightly difficult to fully understand. Myself, every time I re-read it, I find new things I hadn't noticed before. So, polish up your English and ... enjoy !

"About your "Long Live the HP42S": congratulations. I did not read it YET, but I'm sure it will give me some delightfull moments when reading."

Thanks for your interest and enthusiasm, let's hope they'll get properly rewarded when reading the article.

"You know, I'm a big fan of it and (please, forgive me!) sometimes I am not sure if I like it more than the HP15C or conversely. I worship both,
one at a time. Oops! Hope this is not an heresy..."

Not necessarily. I know that the HP42S is the better machine from a features point-of-view, yet the HP-15C is the better machine in terms of robustness, quality of construction and sheer durability. No need to chose, however, just get both.

"(PS: yet without a working spell checker; feel free adding corrections, please...)"

With pleasure. Nothing serious, really; just to name a few:

  1. "forgive me not mentioning" should be either "forgive my not ..." or "forgive me for not ..."

  2. "delightfull" has one "l" too many.

  3. "an heresy" has one "n" too many.

  4. "Very truth" should be "Very true"

Thanks and best regards from V.


  • #11

    I believe that "an heresy" would be correct in jolly old England, while "a heresy" would work on this side of the pond.


    #12

    Hi, db:

    Let's see:


    "an"

    The form of "a" used before words beginning with a
    vowel or with an unpronounced h: an elephant; an hour"

    And "heresy" has no unpronounced "h", as far as I know. :-)

    Thanks and best regards from V.


    #13

    I asked three certified english teachers and it seems you are right. However; the two who agree with you work for the one who thinks that Luiz and I are right. It seems that in proper British english; it is "an h#####" if the stress is on the second syllable and "a h#####" if not. Of course, if it were hard and fast; this rule would make "an hotel" and "an hilarious situation" the correct choice instead of what we know as correct by common usage. English is not math. There is a whole class of people who make their living by making language errors. They are called poets.

    For the past few days I have been checking the English version of a Bolivian friend's website. I try to not correct too much because a) It will be read by Norte Americanos, Brits, Canuks, Ausies, Kiwis, folks from Belize and anywhere that they can't read the Spanish or French version. I figure that if it seems like it may be correct someplace then it's good enough. b) He's trying to give information and even if it is a bit verbose or strange sounding to my American ears; if it gets the point across then it's ok. c) It's no fun to hammer or to be hammered and I'd rather be happy than right. It's good to help Luiz though, because he aims for perfection in himself. So lets hammer him.

    The best thing about english to me is that it is not pure.
    We've borrowed words, phrases, and modes of speech from most of the languages on earth. "If you discovered it then we'll use your word for it". So, it's forgiving. It's probably not as forgiving as Japanese, which has an accepted baby version, but it's pretty inclusive. I mean; if i had a buck for every time I could have corrected the speech of a number
    of a registered professional engineers from India - I could have bought that 15c.

    Edited: 25 Jan 2005, 6:47 p.m.


    #14

    Hi D.B., Valentin, guys;

    Wow! That's amazing, realy! I'm reading these posts, and all I see is that there are many more things about English (and a lot more subjects) that I need to master. At least, get closer to what I want to...

    First, based on my own cultural fundation, 'heresy' is writen 'heresia' in Portuguese (maybe the Spanish equivalent is closer to it). Even if it does not start with a vowel, 'heresia' sounds as if, meaning the 'h' is not pronounced. When I wrote 'an heresy' I actualy forgot that the 'h' is pronounced, so I wrote like that. My fault...

    Second, I'd like to thank you both: I always learn with your (and others) posts. And Valentin, I took note of the other corrections you pointed out. And I understood them perfectly (I guess...)

    Third: you see? I had to look at my old 1977's Merrian-Webster Dictionary to check for a feel spelling of terms I used in this very post. And I'll try keeping this as a regular gesture...

    Some mistakes I'll not get corrections by reading a dictionary, like "Very truth" or "forgive me not mentioning", but I actually got their correct ways for good. Thanks!

    For those of you that read this and think the subject is off toppic, I'd say 'I agree', but many contributors in here are from many parts of the globe and I guess many of them took their notes as well. I'm not sure about others, but having Portuguese as my first tongue, I like expressing myself in English: compared to Portuguese structure and grammar rules it's less complicated, but surely demands some time to master particular "nuances". I just need to enhance my knowledge base... Thanks again, Valentin and D.B.

    Cheers!

    Luiz (Brazil)


    Edited: 25 Jan 2005, 9:48 p.m.

    #15

    Some of our news stations continually make the mistake of saying "an historical event..." Our dictionary says the correct way (not just the preferred way) is "a historical..."

    The error no doubt crept in with the common language in some parts of England dropping the h from the beginning of words. The language professor poked fun at this in My Fair Lady. In The Secret Garden, one of the girls that worked in the palace said "and go around theee 'ouse" (ie, "go around the house"), and her brother said about the lamb, "He's 'ungry!" (ie, "He's hungry!"). The movie Mrs. 'Arris Goes to Paris shows the same thing. Her last name was Harris, but the H was continually dropped.

    Still, I'm impressed by how well those on this forum whose first language is not English actually do in English. They seem to keep the "it's" and "its" and other such things straight a lot better than many of the native English speakers on various forums I watch.


    #16

    Still, I'm impressed by how well those on this forum whose first language is not English actually do in English. They seem to keep the "it's" and "its" and other such things straight a lot better than many of the native English speakers on various forums I watch.

    English isn't my first language, either, and I never used to confuse "it's" and "its", or "too" and "to", etc.


    Then, after having lived in the U.S. for several years, I noticed that such errors were beginning to creep in. I think what happened was that I was getting so fluent in typing English, that my brain was starting to skip the word-to-text step, and it started to translate straight from sound to finger movements... And that's when the door is opened to homonym errors.


    I'm always surprised at the large number of people who write "loose" when they mean "lose", though. That doesn't even sound the same!

    #17

    Luiz writes so much and gives us always so much invaluable information that you should forgive him that minor grammar slip. By the way I've always seen people writing "a HP-15C, a HP-41, etc...": as far as I know the name of the letter H is \ach\, not \hach\ (\a\ pron. as the 'ay' in day). Therefore, they shoud say "an HP-15C, an HP-41", unless there is something I am not aware of. (Once even our teacher of Technical English startled as he found " an LED... " written in the text we were studying. As we Brazilians pronounce \'leji\ it took quite a while for us to realize that the American pronounciation for that acronym was \el-ee-'dee\ - Light-Emitting Diode).

    Regards,

    GWB


    Edited: 31 Jan 2005, 12:03 p.m.


    #18

    Hi, Gerson;

    thank you for your support!

    To be honest, I'm learning a lot with the posts in this thread. In fact, I actually asked for this: look here, mainly the P.S. ... I guess many others are actually finding some way to enhance their skills in English grammar/speaking with this thread.

    Thanks again!

    Luiz (Brazil) (yet without a spell checker)


    #19

    Hi Luiz,

    I had already noticed that. It's a good habit to read all previous postings before replying. I'll try not to forget this.

    Regards,

    Gerson.

    #20

    Valentin suggests that Luiz makes an error when he says "...forgive me not mentioning..." and proposes that

    1."forgive me not mentioning" should be either "forgive my not ..." or "forgive me for not ..."

    Actually Luiz's usage is perfectly acceptable English as we see in this segment from the Lord's Prayer:

    "...forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

    Good English usage doesn't require "...forgive our debts..." or "...forgive us for our debts..."


    #21

    Rodger --

    "forgive me not mentioning"

    could be a request for the second person to forgive the first person on account of his transgression ("forgive me for...") or to pardon his misdemeanor ("forgive my not...").

    In the Lord's Prayer, "...forgive us our debts" requests forgiveness (absolution/cancellation) of the debts themselves. It should be interpreted as, "forgive our debts for us", although "forgive our debts" would suffice.

    -- KS

    #22

    Personally I avoid e-bay and other auctions like the plague and prefer to buy from specialist resellers/dealers (or occasionally from individuals) - for me the fact that I may miss out is more than compensated by being able to deal with a 'reliable' supplier.

    You pays your money and you take your choice (chance)...

    Mike T

    #23

    Shall we try to be clairvoyant here:

    I think it will close at 710 us$.

    Ronald


    #24

    Are you trying to influence the market?

    Its probably not good for any of us to watch these auctions. While many of us begin to think we are sitting on gold mines, many of us are just common folks who used to collect these toys (TOOLs, I tell my wife) before they became valuable to users who had just one, and need another after the demise of their ONLY HP.

    New users prefer the EOS algebraics and only a very few of us remaining dinosaurs use RPN (and an even smaller amount of converts). I actually like AOS over EOS, but guess what? Most algebraic users DO NOT. So even the Hp33s will be at a disadvantage in the market to those users.

    However, at least an RPN user can avoid the escalation of price gouging buy buying an Hp33s now available. No, it isn't an Hp15c, but for a general RPN user, it is in most ways better. Valentin may not want to soil his hands with it, and its shortcomings would scream out to him every time he would pick it up. However it will work as a general scientific for most.

    To a purist, it does have shortcommings, but it is $50 US and does provide a step up from the 11c or Hp32s series in features. Mine seems to be ok aside from the appearance, but it is now my calculator of choice (or more aptly, NCEES's calculator of choice for me, as it is the only RPN calculator now allowed on the National Engineering exam given in the US).

    Would I like better, Yes! I would have preferred Hp release an Hp42sx (32K or 128K RAM, 48G type units conversions and a Serial I/O would have made this a great calculator). Sadly, this was all possible 15 years ago, and even more tragic, might not be possible today.


    #25

    Hi, Ron:

    Ron posted: "Valentin may not want to soil his hands with it, and its shortcomings would scream out to him every time he would pick it up."

    Amen.

    Best regards from V.


    #26

    BTW, 48G+ and GX are going through the roof too.

    - Steve.

    #27

    nt

    #28

    I sold last year a mint NIB 15C for $500. I purchased an Xpander and a 70 with this money.


    #29

    I think HP would be better off to secretly remake their old models and selling them on ebay. What do you think?


    #30

    Very nice idea, indeed! "Bring back the HP15C." Perhaps they are doing it already? ;-)

    #31

    My wonderful girlfriend gave me a 15C because I'm such a great guy, and she knew it would have a good home, and that I could never part with it for any price because of the tremendous sentimental value. :-)


    #32

    So, have you sold it yet?! |;^)


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