OK. We have a near conensus regarding what is wrong with the supposed new 33S. (We still don't know if it is even real.)
Now, assuming someone from HP *might* be listening, then what is right?
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08-15-2003, 11:45 AM
OK. We have a near conensus regarding what is wrong with the supposed new 33S. (We still don't know if it is even real.)
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08-15-2003, 12:54 PM
Here's my list:
1. New offering with some favorite H-P fundamentals: ▼
08-15-2003, 02:20 PM
Absolutely! Paul's list is very good- there is one and only one thing I don't like about the 33s enoough to really care. And that's the keyboard. in *every* other respect, it seems to be the upgrade to the 32sii that I want*. Pop that puppy in the 10bii case ( kind of ugh, but it's workable) and I'll buy them. -Christof *(which doesn't make it an upgrade to the 42S! but that is a totally different issue.) ▼
08-16-2003, 01:00 AM
You know, I can compromise on the keyboard, if two conditions are true: 1. at least it's a decent RPN calc in the other ways described, and 2. the keyboard appeals to new (young?) users, and thereby actually *grows* the RPN community. If 2. holds true, then it's no bad thing. I'd prefer a more plain-vanilla keyboard, but I don't expect to get everything my own way. I'd just like to be able to buy some kind of RPN machine with a consistent interface for my kids to use in school, as opposed to the god-awful half-prefix/half-postfix Casio things they're stuck with now. Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ▼
08-16-2003, 12:05 PM
Quote: Last night my daughter had her boyfriend and three other members of the "nerd patrol" over to watch DVDs. Out of curiosity I showed them a side-by-side image of the HP-33s and the TI 34II with identifying marks backed out. I asked, "If both of these were on the shelf at BestBuy, which one would you choose?" All five teen-geeks emphatically picked the HP-33s. Comments were:
"Very cool keyboard." On the other hand, none were impressed with the HP-49g+. And a brief discussion of RPN vs. algebraic entry had them all glazed over and chanting "boring."
Mark Hardman Edited: 16 Aug 2003, 12:08 p.m. ▼
08-17-2003, 04:16 PM
Well, that's as much proof as there can be, isn't it? I'd give up on this if I were you, guys... 'Krunck' phonetically sounds like german 'krank', which means 'sick'. Like Clockwork Orange, maybe, only borrowing german words instead of russian? So Burgess was wrong... Cheers, Victor ▼
08-17-2003, 06:06 PM
"Burgess was wrong..." BTW: I plan to buy a 33 to throw in the glove compartment. I may even use it some. I will not program it extensively. No matter how good it may turn out to be; without mass storage capacity it is just a rat hole. After loosing 6k of programs on a 42 i am not impressed at all by 32k that is not backed up on something permanent. ▼
08-17-2003, 06:28 PM
Hi db,
Regards,
Bill Platt ▼
08-17-2003, 10:02 PM
I had thought of something like that; that one use for the otherwise uslessly huge memory would be if someone needed a lot of space for solving a big matrix. That is assuming, like you said, that there is a calculator and it is decently programmable. ▼
08-18-2003, 02:02 PM
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but does anyone see any indication that the 33s has any matrix capability whatsoever? This ain't a 15c or 42s. I think we're talking 27 registers and 32K program space to mess with 'em. ▼
08-18-2003, 10:57 PM
I was thinking you could both program it like an HP and move the curtain to change the default storage/program memory alocation. I was thinking this about a modern bottom of the line HP whose parameters were probably laid out by mba's. DOH! While i think the solve function is a cool idea, quick-dirty-simple and very impressive, it is not how i learned to program. The 42's version was great though. ▼
08-19-2003, 02:34 PM
Well... Having used multiple stats lists (sum lists) and a few dozen little solver programs on the 17bii, I can say that the 32k could handily be used if the 33 has the ability to do useful things. Maybe matrices are out (and maybe they aren't- how long will it take one of our regulars to write a program for that?), but if the machine has enough useful program cappabilities, then 32k is more than I had ever asked for in a 32s upgrade. The biggest downfall I see with that much space is only having 27 variables. It's still a functionally *very* good upgrade to the 32sii (assuming the keyboard is usable in the end) to replace the 42, you simply do need I/O. or a backup module. something. I'm going on 10k of data in mine now. gettin kind of scary. At least I do printouts periodically. I keep hoping for a 42 replacement.
08-18-2003, 11:02 PM
Great experiment, Mark. HP probably do the same kind to design the keyboard. ▼
08-19-2003, 11:16 PM
For all our French participants out there, my Nerd Patrol could have been taken directly from the works of André Franquin:
Mademoiselle Jeanne (My daughter) http://www.gastonlagaffe.com/gaston/index.htm
That boy better keep his hand off of my daughter.
08-17-2003, 07:22 AM
Hello! My first (usable) HP calc is an HP32SII (brown with blue-orange shifts). I buy it for my entrance examination. (And I'm a student now in a Hungarian university... ;) ) I use it to solve for many-many problems. I very like it, and if I want to use an fast calculator, I choose this machine. But some things, what I dont like in it:
1.) Equations not editable, only with [BackSpace] key Csaba ▼
08-17-2003, 01:42 PM
I have found some ziplock bags at Staples (office supply store) that are almost exactly the same size as a Pioneer. If you slip your calculator into one of those, it is still usable and pretty much protected from the elements. Of course, it still won't withstand the knocks and tumbles of an industrial environment, though. For that we need to have an inexpensive RPN machine so that replacing it isn't too much of a financial burden.
08-17-2003, 07:53 AM
The best thing with the 33S is that HP is again producing a keystroke programmable RPN calc. This makes it much more likely that they will ever come up with a 43S (i.e. a HP-42S follow-up).
Regards,
08-17-2003, 02:24 PM
Well, we have some good posts here! Interesting post from Mark Hardman--I guess we really are a different species after we have been out of school for ten years!
Regards,
Bill Edited: 17 Aug 2003, 2:30 p.m. |