I just found a 10C - woohoo!



#9

It's been a long time. After much seeking, I found a 10C (w/ manuals) in an advertisement in a local newspaper. (15 bux! woohoo! No box? - ooh bummer. wait, I don't care if there is a box....)

I can't quite see how it can compete with my beloved 41CX, but I can appreciate (obviously, since I read this group) the simple elegance which defined HP products. And a standard to which sadly, they no longer adhere.

Nonetheless, I'll give it a good home. My trusty 41 gets used every day at work. This little fella will get put to work, too.


#10

Congrats, Jim!

I am a big fan of all of the Voyagers. I only completed my series not too long ago with the acquisition of a 10C. They are nice little machines, no doubt about it. I do like the fact that there is only a single shift key -- makes for a nicely uncluttered keyboard. Unfortunately, it also means the loss of a few functions, but that's life.

The 10C does have something of a tortured past, though. At introduction it already had the 11C and 15C to contend with as competition. The 15C, introduced two months earlier, cost $135 compared to the 10C's $80. Not sure what the 11C was priced at then (originally $135 but must have been reduced when the 15C was introduced). Probably only about $30 to go from 10C to 11C. Eventually, the little guy lost out to the 11C and was discontinued at the tender age of only 18 months.

Not too many of them around. Hang on to yours!


#11

Patrick posted:

"The 15C, introduced two months earlier, cost $135 compared to the 10C's $80. Not sure what the 11C was
priced at then (originally $135 but must have been reduced when the 15C was introduced). Probably only about $30 to go
from 10C to 11C. Eventually, the little guy lost out to the 11C and was discontinued at the tender age of only 18 months."

It's understandable at the time. Now, we look at the HP-10C with collector's eyes, knowing it's a very valuable item, the rarest and most scarce of Voyager series' calculators, and so it's become very desirable to the point that most of us would be more than eager to trade an "as new" HP-11C or even an HP-15C for a similar HP-10C, but back then, when it was introduced, it was doomed from the start. You would look at it with buyer's eyes, and would see this data:

     Model:     HP-15C      HP-11C     HP-10C
----------------------------------------------
Max. steps: 448 210 70
Max. regs: 67 21 10
Price: $135-$80 $135-$65 $80-$70
----------------------------------------------

So it's easy to see that the HP-11C offered 300% the
memory of the HP-10C for a very marginal increase in price
(20% at most). Which is more, while the HP-15C offered
more than 200% the memory of an HP-11C, the latter still
had programming features and RAM enough to do very worthwhile
programming, so it remained viable and sold very well, specially among the people who considered the extra HP-15C features (namely integrals, rootfinder, matrices and complex values) as too complicated and specialized for them.

On the other hand, the HP-10C has so little RAM and its programming capabilities are so abysmal that very little can be done with it. For instance, most HP-25 programs of any complexity simply won't fit at all, despite the HP-25 being a much older machine, and having just a maximum of 49 program steps. The reason is that it also had 8 permanently allocated storage registers, for a total of 15 registers worth of RAM, versus the 10 registers in the HP-10C, i.e: the HP-10C has 50% less RAM than even the HP-25 !!. No wonder it sold badly.

To be fair, the HP-10C would have enjoyed much greater success were it not for the existence of the HP-11C and HP-15C, because as a non-programmable calculator it really delivers. But next to an HP-11C, say, noone in his right mind would have purchased one if a mere $20 more would get you an HP-11C or an HP-15C, and that was obvious from the start.

HP should have done the right thing, releasing the HP-10C before the HP-11C, just as it did release the HP-11C prior to the HP-15C. That would have ensured tremendous sales for the HP-10C !! Instead, HP flopped big time with their marketing strategy for this model and poor little HP-10C was a total failure, undeservedly. It's only fair that now it has regained back the popularity it never enjoyed before, a little ugly duckling turned into a collector's swan ! .-)

Best regards.


Edited: 27 June 2003, 7:25 a.m.

#12

Hey, JimC;

keep this babe utp and tunned, wilyah?

I have all Voyagers except the HP10C. To be honest, I'd not have much to do with one of these except scanning its guts and collecting data about it. I preffer the HP 11C for the HP10C. Of course, HP15C for any other.

Congratulations! It's always good news.

Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

P.S. - I believe those guys who do not feel happy for others happiness and used to coplain for this sort of posts are no longer sniffing around here, so I am sure all posts in this thread will be of... "joy".


#13

Hi Luiz. Thanks for the words of encouragement!


To those who would be unhappy at my post:

My post is not meant to gloat, but rather to share the thrill after a long period of searching and to perhaps push others who are feeling frustrated - as I have been - in watching the Ebay prices go up and up...bidding and getting scooped. If I can't tell the people on this forum, who am I gonna tell? My wife? My kids? (yeah, right)

This is a unique group and I would not like to be thought of as one who is "rubbing someone's nose in it". That is not the spirit of this forum, and is not my personality type. That I'll leave to television.

If I have offended, please accept my apologies.


#14

I think it is wonderful! Some day perhaps,(I keep wishing), I can get my hands on a useable 34C.

tm

#15

Hey, Jim;

please, forgive me not being so clear about this fact in my post.

Some time ago, one particular thread, and a few others in less intensity, revealed this Mr. Hide side in at least one or two contributors that have found their way home. I am sure you were not reading these posts at that time and you are probably not aware of these facts, but others in here remember it well. :-|

I felt so mad about such insane behavior that I politely (as I always try to do) tried to retreat the contributor that gladly posted a message about his last victories. I know this gentle fellow is still with us, but the ferocious agressor seems never been back. qB^(

I'm sorry I didn't explain it too well, I intended others to remember those days and feel glad they are never comming back. I have a cousin that uses two great expressions for the worst moments :|

-'We'll be laughing at this in thirty years from now...' and
- 'What time cannot forget, it embeds'.

Your enthsiasm will never offend anyone in here. Forgive me if I made you feel like this.:^p

And I exagerated a bit when mentioning these facts, too... ;^)

Sorry, guys. My fault. <:^(

Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil


Edited: 26 June 2003, 11:42 p.m.


#16

Hi Luis.

I DO recall the gentlemen of whom you speak and I do remember reading some of his posts. After reading my post, I did think that it sounded as though I was gloating.

I do not take offense at any thing you have posted. You are always first with the help, and first with the encouragement. I would say that your personality is one of the reasons this forum is as helpful and encouraging as it is. I always look forward to being here with others who understand why I like these "antiques".

No apologies necessary!


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