HP Prime on TV



#2

I doubt anyone here saw this due to the early air time and, ahem, slightly doubtful overlap of interests... but there was an HP Calculator segment on TV for the first time in (ever?) ????

Segment only

Whole show

Will be rebroadcast again in October sometime.

Just thought I'd pass it along! :-)

TW

Edited: 4 Sept 2013, 5:36 p.m.


#3

Shopping channel meets the classroom ;-)

Best bit is the URL at the end - the Prime is finally on HP's website officially - but the link to find a reseller fails. :-(

On the UK website there's a number to ring to place an order. I shall try it tomorrow when they open.

#4

What'd she say starting at 05:13 in the first movie? "So in our case the runner has travelled 14.9 feets in the first 5 seconds"? Isn't this walking? Sorry if I have misheard or misunderstood something.


#5

She clearly says (to me anyway) feet, singular. I agree with you that ~15 feet in 5 seconds is hardly Usain Bolt. (But perhaps it's a test to see if any of the students are thinking?) ;-)


#6

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feet, singular



Ahem... ;-)

#7

By singular he meant "without s", I assume. "Feets" would be the plural form of a noun that is already plural, hence his warning "feet, singular" makes sense to me :-)


#8

Quote:
"Feets" would be the plural form of a noun that is already plural

Number 3 seems perfect to me! :)


foot, feet, feets -> singular, dual, plural... :D


Edited: 5 Sept 2013, 5:31 p.m.

#9

Thanks! It sounded like "feets" to me yesterday, that's why I wrote the word in italic. On hearing her again now I am convinced she really says "feet". In English both /s/ and /t/ are alveolar consonants whilst in Portuguese (and other Latin languages) /t/ is a dental consonant. I am aware of these subtleties ever since I started to learn English, but it seems my rather untrained ears are not :-)


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~15 feet in 5 seconds is hardly Usain Bolt. (But perhaps it's a test to see if any of the students are thinking?) ;-)

Or perhaps she just chose a random numeric example that has nothing to do with the real world. This happens sometimes.


#10

[ts] (instead of [t]) which we call in French linguistic "affriquée", so common in Quebec...

Thanks Gerson for this interesting view on New world's sound!

French wikipedia


#11

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[ts] (instead of [t]) which we call in French linguistic "affriquée", so common in Quebec...

Interesting, thanks! Also /dz/ for /d/, from the examples in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7fKWDdBuvE

Also interesting is the pronunciation of 'ai' in 'extraordinaire' as a diphtong instead of a single vowel, considering the change occurred in Ancien Français as early as the beginning of the Twelfth-Century, according to wiktionary.


Edited: 8 Sept 2013, 9:47 p.m.

#12

This show will re-air Thursday, October 10th

#13

Totally cool! I showed it to my 12 year old and, although she was non-plussed, she did thin it was a cool looking calculator. :-)

Great job!

Bruce

#14

I'm hoping that the Prime will be HP's big break into the educational market.


#15

Then prepare to be disappointed.


#16

Indeed (and hi Don ;)).

I'd like the Prime to succeed (even if I'm a long-time TI user and programmer), but HP largely missed the boat for the current school season.

For the next school season(s), the rumored Nspire CX Premium could be looming at the horizon... The Prime has a window of opportunity, but it's not very large.

In a number of countries, especially the USA, TI calculators and TI-trained educators are far too entrenched into the whole education system for anything else - even superior products - to be able to make a significant dent in TI's market share...


#17

Hi debrouxl.

Many school systems, public and private, are already putting student textbooks and other resources on tablet computers that are issued to all students. It is a lot easier for a student to cart around a tablet computer than 5 or 6 heavy textbooks and notebooks in a book bag that weighs 25 pounds. That is the trend, and manufacturers of products for students would be foolish to ignore that trend.

TI has made probably billions of dollars over the years from calculator sales to students and others. But the days of the individual student calculator are numbered. I would be surprised if the planners at TI aren't planning the "next big app" that will replace the individual calculator in students' bags, and to succeed it will have to be more than just a calculator app, it will have to be a legitimate tool that can demonstrably help students learn math concepts and operations. There is a fortune waiting to be made there.

There is no reason, other than corporate lack of vision, that HP also shouldn't be working on such a thing. Maybe they are; I hope they are. But the HP Prime, from what I've seen on this forum, is not the future of educational math training. It is only a slight improvement over what the TI NSpire has already been doing for the past 6 or 7 years.


#18

Totally agree with Don. But I wonder why calculators still are made, except for the small and cheap ones that always come in handy for simple everyday calculations. I think serious apps will beat or replace graphical/scientific calculators in usefulness. As soon as I could buy or download emulators of some well known calculators, they became my favorites, as I could keep them together in one device. And they do not add to the weight of this device (or do they?) In a couple of years the whole world will use tablets, that are multifunctional (but alas not always multitasking as far as I know). It seems like a inevitable evolution.
BTW I do admire the creators of the WP34S as they have shown that clever cooperation en crowd wisdom can create wonderful things. And also I have made such a WP34S out of an HP30B. But to be honest I scarcely do use it.


#19

Graphing calculators are still being made and sold in largely because the education market is a highly dysfunctional, non-free market...

In most countries, the education market's rules are disconnected from real-world usage, and adjusting the rules to technology changes is taking years. I mean that nowadays, tablets usually remain forbidden in standardized testing, and that silly restrictions such as "no CAS allowed" are persistent. However, in the real world, problem solving skills are a matter of analysis, then finding the correct solution, all of that as efficiently and quickly as possible. Artificial restrictions to functionality, ways of thinking and breadth of usage are nuisances.

From the manufacturers' POV: why make awesome products if 30-year-old technology, with a sprinkling of color slapped on it (84+CSE, I'm looking at you), still sells at such high price tags, despite clear technical shortcomings and the subsequent slowness in basic usage (scrolling in BASIC programs, etc.) ?


#20

I don't know how it works exactly, but parents usually buy what teachers recommend in order not to leave their child at a disadvantage. Even if my son's diehard RPN father would venture to get him a 35S or Swiss Micro he might oppose that in order not to stick out too far in class (or have difficulties following the teacher's examples).

The market for school calculators also seems to thrive on the teachers' reluctance to allow (and parents' reluctance to pay for) fully featured (graphing) calcs in junior high, so students usually go through a cheap entry level (aka TI-30??) model and have to buy another one for more serious math in senior high (when I was in school around 30 years ago some extra ones were required in between as many of the then new TI 30 LCD models didn't last for more than a year with keys and/or displays dying).

I remember my class having a lot of different calculator models but the largest group was TI-30. I am curious as to what my son's teacher will recommend/demand.....

#21

Hi there. I'm posting here in this position because I feel it relates to and follows from the trail of comments. Since, as these preceding comments have suggested, TI has planted its feet firmly and solidly in thr educational market and, has become the educators' favourite, what path and success can the Prime lead HP towards if not the educational market? Or can the HP Prme lead HP to greener pastures if marketed towards the college/university spectrum?

Edited: 5 Sept 2013, 3:27 p.m.

#22

cool !


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