New Line of HP calculators?



#15

I went to my college bookstore to ask if they had the HP-49G available. The guy told me they sent them all back for credit because HP is going to come out with a new line of graphing calculators. Is this true? Because if it is, I might hold off on buying one.


#16

It may be. But it is not likely. More likely is that Hp is just recalling Hp's in stock to replace in warranty repairs that seem to plague the 49g (most are minor warranty issues, but customers are used to a better 48 line). I suspect BS PR to hide the fact that Hp is really closing one of its best chapters and has a lousy ending in store for us. And that ending is, It is just going to quit the calc business aside from a few cheap knockoffs such as the Hp12c, Hp10Bii, the Hp30s and the perhaps the ultra cheap Hp6s line (which they may have already abandoned due to the Hp6s negative image).

I am speculating of course and do not know for sure.

So, my advice, buy a 49G while you can. It is a very impressive calculator. I like the 48G series hardware better, but the 49G has better software and the keyboard is okay once you get used to it.


#17

Very Interesting...

I was recently (3 weeks ago) talking with a first tier Hp distributor I have done business with in the past. I was trying to find a 32Sii or two left around. She laughed at the idea of anyone having any 32Sii's left. Hey - it never hurts to ask even if it is a long shot. But the point of the message is that she said that "Just wait for awhile. Hp has a new line of calculators coming soon". I asked when. The answer: In the forth quarter. I didn't press. I just figured it was Hp's way of keeping the distribution channel happy when Hp had nothing for them to sell. Never gave it a second thought, until now. I actually laughed to myself and said "Believe it when I see it".

Maybe? Is it possible? Since they have no in-house calc talent any more, have they outsourced a new calculator design like they finally did with PC's? If they did, will it be as big a disaster as the PC's? Anybody out there own any Hp Kayak's? Cursed from the day they came out of the box. My company's PC business went to Dell after Hp enjoying our PC business for 10 years without competition. Perhaps this is an opportunity to show us how the "New Hp" has re-invented itself from the old "New Hp"?

While Ron may be right on the mark about the 49's, anybody have other theories?

Doesn't mean I'm going to stop collecting older RPN machines, but I await further news with interest.


#18

It's true or so I have been told by a friend who works at a Major Distributor. She said that a new line is coming out in a couple of months [ that was a few weeks now ], but she didn't have any more information. I hope HP surprises us and comes out with a HP42SII


#19

Hi, everybody;

I recently had my HP28S stolen, and I was fortunate enough buying another this very weekend. But that's not the point: I bought an HP28S so I could help others to use it. As I have many like this.

You know, I use the HP48, the HP42S (I call my 32K 42 as HP42S+) and the HP15C. The others are there for translating programs, testing routines, store programs being developed... mostly, to help other users. Some contributors in here may have noticed I do what I do because I like it.

But Hewlett-Packard does not think this way.

I learned here that HP would never, never get back to calculator business if it is not profitable. I read many things in here, I posted my own (almost inaccurate) opinions, but I'm certain about it: profitability.

I think we all should focus this way: why would HP get back to calculator business if it is not profitable? Or is there a profitable calculator slice in the market we are not seeing? (I swear I cannot even think of an HP6S' family coming along... I feel sick!).

I have expressed my feelings about RPN and mind development, and I believe I can think numbers the way I think because of RPN programming structure. I sometimes feel myself as doing arithmetic and thinking RPN fashion... (Doc. Mike, please, tell me it's O.K., will yah?)

I don't know, I believe a financial analysis must be taken into account here. I try not feeling happy with the news, because they are too good to be true.

Just my thoughts.


#20

Maybe Compaq was secretly working on a machine and didn't tell anybody about it, and now HP owns it. Saved a lot of development costs that way. Hee-hee!

I'm kidding, of course.

Does where the calc came from make a difference? I mean, if HP did get completely out of the calc business, but then released it all to Agilent in the process, would users here buy similar calcs from Agilent? (I have nothing to do with either HP or Agilent; I merely ask out of curiosity).

Hey, it might be worth considering in the future if HP does abandon us.

#21

Hi Luiz,

Not only is it "O.K.", I would argue that it's very important. Everything we learn in life is a language, and then that language gives us a vehicle and substrate for thought and understanding.

Learning medicine involves learning the language of medicine. Same with law, computers, chemistry, engineering, gardening--- you name it.

So, learning RPN DOES teach you to work through problems in a logical, superior way.

Humans store information quite efficiently, it seems. I have a patient who hallucinates music. Not that rare. But she reports hearing all the lyrics clearly and completely, to songs she cannot sing. I believe our minds store massive amounts of information. It's the retrieval and organization of those memories that seems to show the most limitations. Exercising that recall and organizing system is very important, and providing an efficient language can help.

Long live RPN!!

Michael

#22

I asked when. The answer: In the forth quarter.

Well, that's a silly time to release a new calculator. The best time would be towards the end of thrid quarter, to get in on the "back-to-school" rush. Of course, you'd have to announce the product in second quarter, to make sure that the retailers have enough lead-time to pre-order for August-September, but that doesn't necessarily require the announcement to be public. Fourth quarter is good for the holiday shopping season -- assuming that their marketing folks feel that a student is more likely to ask his folks for a brand new graphing calculator rather than, say, an X-Box...


#23

... will provide fresh news !

#24

Hi;

if they already had that calcualtor in "blueprints", why not to redraw it (a Xpander derivated?) and launch it fast?

Just a thought.


#25

All ACO project are dead.. I think.

We have to wait until September to see "real" HP news..

Best regards,

J.Manrique

Calculators Users Group from Gijón

#1077 HPCC Member


#26

We can wait, but I think that what you see will be a "white label" calculator with HP branding.

I'm about to throw my 2 cents in here; I realize I'm a newbie, so it may be complete garbage, but hopefully it will get a discussion going.

In the past, HP made calculators of unbeatable quality. You could buy cheaper calculators, sure, but if you were an engineer out in the field, you couldn't have your calculator die on you. It was worth the extra money to get an HP. (All you have to do is take a look at TI; how many of their units are still functioning now???)

As time passed, things changed. Computers became smaller, more powerful and cheaper. Nowadays, people use computers for complex calculations; most calculator buyers are high school and college students. They shop on price.

HP has done what they can to keep up. They kept competitive on price by lowering quality and relocating manufacturing. The current HP customer doesn't buy their product because of its history of quality; they buy it becuase it does what they need it to do and Staples has it on sale.

We're a dying breed. We love HP because of what it WAS, not what it is. We use HPs because we love them. To us, using a classic HP is an "experience". Unfortunately, HP isn't Starbucks. They don't sell an experience, they sell a product.

Brendan


#27

HP was what it was at a time when we were who we were...

#28

Recently Lexibook (an everything-cheapo brand here in France) turned out some interesting machines. The first one was a rebrand of the HP6/6s called model 100/110. They just released a decent remake of the Casio 6300 (a graphical calc
) badged as the "GC1000".

So it seems low-end brands are reusing old technology to address the cost-conscious part of the market (read : 99% of the market), on the lower range.

In the past companies less known for calculators designed nice models (example : Toshiba for TI). Also, see all the reasonable Palm clones issued by some asian companies. This is not ridiculous, so NIH (Not Invented Here) designs are fairly possible. I wouldn't be surprised if the new machines heavily borrowed from the original HP designs. However, this doesn't mean RPN as this is not the general direction of things nowadays.

Another remark : yes TI models were cheaper and thus theoretically less durable, but it depends on how you use them : if you care as you would for a $500 model, they keep on working fine virtually forever. I have some (including a 2500 dated 1973), and they work like a charm. The problem is that as you paid $20 for it, you don't take care and it breaks...

So I think even if the next HP line is OEMed from some obscure remote company, it could be a nice surprise. IF there is one...


#29

Hi,

>Recently Lexibook (an everything-cheapo brand here in
>France) turned out some interesting machines.
>The first one was a rebrand of the HP6/6s called model
>100/110. They just released a decent remake of the Casio
>6300 (a graphical calc ) badged as the "GC1000".
>
I just wanted to note that at least the 6S solar is in fact a relabelled "Texet Albert",
and not invented by HP, of course.
So it seems obvious that the Lexibook machines are rebranded Texet calcs.

The 6S w/o solar is slightly modified, but from the same brand. One or two years ago some other people and I posted some details about the pcbs of the 6S and 30S here.
Summary: Not a single HP part inside.


Regards,

Raymond


#30

"One or two years ago some other people and I posted some details about the pcbs of the 6S and 30S here. Summary: Not a single HP part inside."

Not even an OFF switch! (on the HP-6S) :-)

Gene

#31

"So I think even if the next HP line is OEMed from some obscure remote company, it could be a nice surprise. IF there is one..."

Let's hope it's not a re-badged Casio fx-7000G.
Though I wouldn't mind a modernized 7500G...

#32

> Another remark : yes TI models were cheaper and thus theoretically

> less durable, but it depends on how you use them : if you care as you

> would for a $500 model, they keep on working fine virtually forever.



Not really, mu HP11C will soon reach the age of 18 years, I have it
since the high school. It was handled in the roughest possible way: I
used to carry it in my backpack, which was more than oftent trown and
kicked around (in the extremely long travels from home to school and
back). The poor thing has many scars to prove the battles he fought,
but still works fine...


#33

chris;

yes, i agree that hp calcs are usually much more robust than ti units. you practically have to stomp a voyager or pioneer to kill it but the opposite can be shown.

there were well built ti & other off-brand lines too. the ti 58/58c/59 was particularly well built with the only problem being the battery clips, and they can be re-soldered right through the battery door; how many permanently fried hp 30 series from the same era have we all seen. older mexican rockwells seem to always work; there are a lot of dead hp 21's that were made in the same year. the 20, 30, and 60 series had problems with the charging systems/methods and companies like ti went the cheap but bomb proof way and put 9v batteries in their calcs. the series that included the first ti 30 and programmer almost always still work. novus mathematicians are also quite stout but with their bad trig accuracy you could wish they weren't, and they were rpn too.

i'm not bad mouthing hp in general. i use my 41 at least a dozen times a day and i have a growing (lowers his head, shuffles his feet, speaks sotovoce) collection of them. i do however respect good engineering and construction. some of those brand x's had the audible click and tactile feedback that hp has now stopped designing into their current tiny lineup and some like commodore and litronix tend to keep on working. no one can look at a navtronic and say "cheap".

so, while i agree with you i'll have to quote paul harvey and say: "now you know the rest of the story". .....and now that i am quoting old paplo i think it is time to sign off and probably to have a long talk with dr. meyer and/or my priest too.

- d

#34

seeking manual or other source of usage info on the 540 jornada

#35

You might want to ask your college bookstore from what source did they get this information (i.e., a local HP distributor, a salesman, etc.) so a followup can confirm the validity of HP coming up with a new line of graphing calculators. My favorite HP calculators are the HP 48GX, HP 17B II (business), and HP 19BII (business). They have hard plastic keys and there is a smorgasbord of supplementary manuals and third party books on getting the most out of them. I have not found such a smorgasbord for other types of calculators. My wish is that if HP does come up with new calculators that they still retain the hard plastic keys and have backward compatibility with the three calculators I mentioned. I know that PDAs are doing more everyday, but to me there is still a place for traditional dedicated calculators.


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