I've just checked the Samson Cables page. They list the HP-15C special edition, this time at $129.
The photo they show is a photoshopped image of a 15C, but with "special edition" written below the HP logo.
Darn! 15C preorder relisted at Samson. $129
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08-31-2011, 03:19 AM
I've just checked the Samson Cables page. They list the HP-15C special edition, this time at $129. The photo they show is a photoshopped image of a 15C, but with "special edition" written below the HP logo.
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08-31-2011, 04:50 AM
It's still cheaper than what's on TAS. Decided to place another order anyway. Need a backup. :)
08-31-2011, 07:24 AM
I pre-ordered in July, as these details:
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08-31-2011, 01:12 PM
Quote:They probably won't. I was told I get the chance to cancel my preorder if the price changes. However, the status page still lists my order at the initial price.
08-31-2011, 10:31 AM
Does that mean that HP has officially launched the HP-15 LE? Namir ▼
08-31-2011, 10:43 AM
Or is it still just an imaginary calculator that will handle imaginary numbers?
08-31-2011, 10:50 AM
Not at that price I wouldn't. . . TW ▼
08-31-2011, 12:58 PM
I guess SC is pushing things to whatever limit they feel works. Namir ▼
08-31-2011, 01:15 PM
I think they're just trying to sell it for the expected MSRP, instead of a discount, because they figure their competition will do the same, since the supply will be too limited to meet demand. If and when this happens, I do expect massive price gouging on the secondary market, such as TAS. I realize those of you not residing in the USA have limited options, but please don't let someone like SC insert a phallus up your derrieres.
08-31-2011, 01:21 PM
That was the suggested retail price, iirc. Due to the limited stock, it wouldn't make sense to give any discount. The 15C LE will soon be sold out and reappear on TAS at 200% afterwards. ▼
08-31-2011, 01:27 PM
that sounds like a great idea to me! ;-) ▼
08-31-2011, 01:38 PM
Sorry Gene - already ordered 10,000 units ;-). ▼
08-31-2011, 02:10 PM
Timeline for releasing the HP-15C LE: October 1, 2011 - HP makes official launch announcement October 2, 2011 - All distributors announce that it is sold out
October 3, 2011 - Multiple listings appear on TAS for $500+ Edited: 31 Aug 2011, 2:10 p.m. ▼
08-31-2011, 02:19 PM
And any business would then do this and the hoarders would be SOL. Oct 4: Order for next batch to be produced placed. TW ▼
08-31-2011, 02:30 PM
Yes, but they wouldn't have that cool "Limited Edition" badge. :) For a 15C fan, the only thing better than HP bringing back the 15C would be if it were a hit and found a permanent place in the HP printer line. :) Collectors might not agree, however.
08-31-2011, 02:37 PM
I've never quite understood why the possible resurrection of this calculator should create such a feeding frenzy. It was a great model when it originally appeared, but the single line display is restrictive. ▼
08-31-2011, 02:48 PM
Sir, you clearly don't understand fanaticism. ▼
08-31-2011, 03:01 PM
Maybe it's about using something that just works? Something you don't feel about as being a beta tester? And maybe the limited display is no issue, but TAS prices for old hardware are? I hardly find any fanboys here. ▼
08-31-2011, 04:44 PM
You don't have to convince me, Thomas. I am one of those consumate fanatics. You are preaching to the choir. ;) BTW, Today I just received an immaculate HP 32S in the mail. It's in like new condition with all the original packaging, even the protective cardboard insert for the slip case. And it's got the old style spiral bound manual. Oh, joyous day !
08-31-2011, 04:21 PM
It just seems that buying this device sight-unseen is much like going on a blind date: both actions could possibly end in a miscalculation. ▼
08-31-2011, 04:49 PM
What's the miscalculation ? It's a known quantity. The only possible downside is that the physical quality is somewhat lower, but even that should be no worse than the current production of the 12C. ▼
08-31-2011, 06:32 PM
I was speculating that the keyboard might not of the same quality as the original, leading to missed keystrokes.
08-31-2011, 02:49 PM
Quote: Agreed 100%. The form factor is great, but imagine if they kept the physical case and keys but inserted a two-line full dot-matrix display. With the Atmel CPU/platform of the "12C+", it could handle 12-digit mantissa/3-digit exponent numerics, it would have the capability to support soft-key menus and Walter, Pauli and Marcus would have a field day :-) Jake ▼
08-31-2011, 04:08 PM
d:-) ... and I will dig in my files and find some very old drafts. Oh yeah, such a 15CX would be really great :-) Else it's just the ancestor of the 42S :-/ Walter
08-31-2011, 05:40 PM
Imagine a cell phone with a calculator keyboard overlay covering some percentage of the screen. The keys could have good tactile feed back, and the phone could provide an enhanced display. But what if it rings in the middle of a complicated problem? :)
08-31-2011, 07:26 PM
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The sam7 can't natively drive an LCD matrix of such density
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I believe the attraction of the 15c in part follows from the
However I hazard what you're really after is one of these Yes I'm looking for one too.
08-31-2011, 07:56 PM
Quote:New software, new bugs.
08-31-2011, 05:41 PM
Quote: I can't understand the bizarre enthusiasm either. It is without any logical basis. Assuming a new HP-15C becomes available, speed would be the only advantage over the original. What good is that? The original HP-15C is slow, but who ever did work on an HP-15C that would be enhanced by doing it faster? It has no output device (not even a BEEP) except the very limited display. It has no input device except the keyboard. Faster speed is not likely to have substantive value at all to any HP-15C application. I'd rather have an original HP-15C. At least the battery life and the quality of construction will be vastly superior to any Chinese re-incarnation. The good old HP traditional quality is still there in 30-year-old originals. The appearance of the HP 42S in 1988 showed that HP once could produce a small RPN calculator that is an order of magnitude better than the HP-15C. The HP 15C LE is a sign of failure in innovation at even 1988 levels! ▼
08-31-2011, 06:23 PM
And yet the 12C still sells well after 30 years. Perhaps that machine is just good enough to do the jobs demanded of it. Maybe it fits into pockets and workflows that include far more powerful and sophisticated computing devices. The 15C is a lot more powerful than the 12C for mathematics. It's also more complicated. So I wonder if it will find a similar niche out there. I consider that an open question, though.
08-31-2011, 07:06 PM
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Speed counts for something to some folks, and the original NUTs
I would however expect an encore 15c to add bidirectional i/o of
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From the perspective of mechanical construction, LCD contrast,
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Wow, tough audience. But the 42s has detractions as well
But quite honestly either machine offers an interesting platform
08-31-2011, 08:14 PM
Quote:The 15C is a gorgeous and capable work of art! Granted the 42S is far more capable, but it's also butt-ugly. :-) I hope HP makes a zillion 15Cs since it is the only gift I am going to give anymore--wedding presents, baby showers, get-well-soon, sorry-for-your-loss, etc... Retro is in! (Whatever Walter says), the 16C! Please? ▼
08-31-2011, 08:42 PM
Quote: Did I mention that I'm engaged, pregnant, sick, and have just lost an uncle?
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08-31-2011, 10:49 PM
Quote: Katie, Generous philanthrophist Mr Egan Ford owes you at least four units HP 15LE s given your condition ;-) hpnut in Malaysia
09-01-2011, 12:55 AM
Me too! TW
09-01-2011, 02:16 AM
Quote: I can't disagree with any part of that. The HP-15C is visually far more attractive than any later HP. I also think it's much better looking than the HP-41 series. I don't know what happened to HP in 1986, after which all those left-coast "artsy" low contrast goober-head ugly color schemes were adopted. The HP 28, 48S and G, 38G, and all Pioneers have absolutely terrible color schemes. Even my dear HP 42S...ugly orange on even uglier brown...what drugs were those HP folks on? At least today's 50g and 30b, and...even the unfortunate 35S, show a lot of practical "visual" sense has returned to HP since the demise of the Pioneers and the 48G series.
08-31-2011, 10:55 PM
Quote: For those who do not have a 15c, the Limited Edition release is an opportunity to purchase a new unit for considerably less than the price of a used 15c. For those that have a 15c (and use it), the Limited Edition release is an opportunity to be able to purchase a new backup with printed manual and emulator for considerably less than the price of a used 15c. For those who collect, the Limited Edition release is another shiny object to hoard.
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09-01-2011, 12:03 AM
I don't consider myself a "collector" per se. Collector makes me think of some guy with his display case stuffed full of red dot HP35s and a pallet of NIB 16cs that never actually get used. I own several HPs, but use almost all of them (including my non red dot, version 3 HP-35 that I actually used on my last exam as an undergrad at college... in May, 2011). It started when I bought a 48g after my TI-89 Titanium got stolen... I picked up a few other models, decided I wanted a 32S because the 48G was bulky and I really didn't use the graphing feature that often, so I managed to buy one that had the keyboard contact problem on TAS for $15 and fixed it. I'll probably buy one of the new 15Cs, but I intend to use it, not flip it on TAS or hide it in the bottom drawer of my desk for the next 50 years. ▼
09-01-2011, 12:30 AM
It's nice to see a young person show interest in these old designs and appreciate them. I too have an HP-35, V3, except that I bought mine new in 1973 when I got my first engineering job. It replaced my trusty K&E slide rule, and speeded up my work to the degree that I would annoy my boss by asking for more work because I would finish long before quitting time. I still have the HP-35, and it still works great. I'm sure you will enjoy the HP-15C.
09-01-2011, 07:57 AM
So the 15C LE is going to be supplied with a printed manual?
08-31-2011, 06:41 PM
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Voyagers in general and the 15c in particular certainly have a
That said I suppose I personally draw a similar analogy between open
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08-31-2011, 10:35 PM
Quote: Speaking of which, is there any more news on this front? I for one would love to see more of this. I have a few old chassis that I would love repurpose. ▼
09-02-2011, 10:55 AM
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Fair question and I haven't forgotten about the folks asking
Yes I'd like to release it as an open project, but am still
It would be considerably easier if the Voyager PCB were to be
That said the existing KINOMI modules versions are certainly -john ▼
09-02-2011, 02:07 PM
why not just design it as a refit into a modern 12C+ casing? the user could then, at the same time, repaint/silkscreen the keyboard buttons and escutcheon too. ▼
09-02-2011, 02:13 PM
Quote: What a wonderful word! I had to look that one up. The things one learns at this site...
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09-03-2011, 01:07 AM
us kiwis (new zealanders) are quite renowned for our exuberant use of a veritable plethora of interesting and thought-provoking words :-)
09-02-2011, 05:15 PM
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That has been on the mental drawing board ever since I was
The pcb is sized to the keypad area alone. So for use of this
The LCD mates to the PCB via carbon ink conductive ribbon,
The LCD is a segment configuration using a higher multiplex
The heat stake posts (at least for the version I'd disassembled)
The power supply (finally) is supplied by two CR2032 lithium
I personally like the tactile feel of the full domes present in
The 12c+ AFAIK thus far uses surface printed keycap legends which
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