I scored a HP-67 for 93 dollars on eBay...



#41

Is this some kind of record?


#42

I doubt it... but it's great news!!! Restore it to good health and use it in good health!

#43

Far from it...

Greetings,
Massimo

#44

Yes, congratulations.

I hope you can get it working. If I wasn't already over budget for the month, I'd have bid more than $92 myself.

#45

Great! However, I scored a working HP 97 (except for card reader)for 65 dollars at a second-hand store in Angels Camp Ca. Carry bag, charger and manual also included. The (original?)battery pack can hold a charge for a few days and the unit is cosmetically clean. I really felt lucky!


#46

Art; If i didn't know you so well i'd think that you just wrote the second literary tall tale to take place in angels camp, but i guess the downturn in our economy has one good side - affordable HPs.

If your poor bemused equals-sign addicted astronomy students weren't confused enough trying to follow you on their TIs before; now you can touch type in values on the 97's full sized keyboard. You're a cruel man.


#47

Yeah, I guess they might think I am cruel. I fully intend to brag about my recent (early August 09) 97 purchase after classes start just to show them what a nerdy prof they signed up for! I think rpn will scare the heck out of them.

#48

Quote:
Great! However, I scored a working HP 97 (except for card reader)for 65 dollars at a second-hand store in Angels Camp Ca. Carry bag, charger and manual also included. The (original?)battery pack can hold a charge for a few days and the unit is cosmetically clean. I really felt lucky!

In France we have almost every week-end what we call "vide grenier". People gather to sell things they want to get rid of. There can be several hundreds sellers.

It's usual to make scores.
For instance and just for HP calculators :

- In september 2008 I found a nice HP 32S for 2 euros ( +/- 3 dollars), 2 splendid HP 17BII for 1 and 3 euros.

- In march 2009 I found a working HP 48G for 3 euros ( +/- 5 dollars).


- In april 2009 I found a nice working HP 97 with battery charger for 3 euros ( +/- 5 dollars).


- Three weeks ago I found a non-working HP 42S (but good cosmetic conditions) with its manual in French for 12 euros ( +/- 16 dollars).

- Last week-end my wife found 2 nices HP 10B for 10 euros ( +/- 14 dollars).... I will use one to test Pioneer's case opening in order to repair the HP 42S


#49

Hello!

Quote:
In France we have almost every week-end what we call "vide grenier".

Yes. But if you do not especially consider it your hobby to browse through other peoples junk, then going to second-hand stores (I really can't stand that smell!), flea markets, car-boot sales and similar kinds of weekend activities are serious work. Unpleasant work.

I too have bought several HP calculators from flea markets. Some of them really cheap. Incredibly cheap even, like one of these 25th anniversary things, some LCD model that I don't care about to be honest, new and boxed for one Euro. But then, when I ask myself how much time I had to spend at these markets and how long it took me to drive there, and even if I value my time at the cheapest hourly rate, then every single bargain calculaor becomes really expensive in the end...

So I mostly let others do the dirty work and buy the stuff they take home from the flea market from them on eBay. After they have have done a functional test, cleaned the calculator and found a manual for it from another source. And in the end it still comes cheaper and I can spend my Saturdays with the family :-)

And yes, 93 Dollars for an HP67 is a good deal as this certainly is one of the three best pocket calculators ever made. But use it and don't let it rot in some drawer - that's what it was made for!

Greetings, Max


Edited: 20 Aug 2009, 8:54 a.m.


#50

What are the other two?


#51

Hello!

Quote:
What are the other two?

That depends on the time of day you ask me and on the phase of the moon and various other factors :-)

Right now I would answer: The HP-67 for carrying along, the '97 for the office and the Ti Voyage 200 as the most powerful (and yet most easy to master) do-everything calculator I have ever used (maybe the nSpire is even better, but I have never seen one close-up).

Cheers, Max

NB: My favourite (but certainly not the "best") pocket calculator is the HP-25.
NNB (or NBB?): I got my HP-97 for free (hard to beat...), complete and boxed and still with its first roll of paper in the printer when they cleared out old stuff at my dad's office many years ago.


Edited: 20 Aug 2009, 12:19 p.m.

#52

Flea markets and second-hand store shopping is not not necessarily "unpleasant work" if you enjoy the "thrill of the hunt" for something you like or want to collect. I find it more rewarding than trying to outbid someone online for an item that is not available for you to touch and evaluate in person!

#53

Several years ago I spent 35 dollars at an estate sale and received:

A working HP-67 with a bad reader.

An AC supply

A manual

A Standard Pak

A set of never used magnetic cards.

A large number of cards which supposedly will permit the user to play backgammon but without instructions. I haven't figured out how to to use the cards.


#54

Quote:
A large number of cards which supposedly will permit the user to play backgammon but without instructions. I haven't figured out how to to use the cards.

Extract their contents and upload to the software library. I'm sure someone will be able to figure it all out.

- Pauli


#55

Quote:
Extract their contents and upload to the software library. I'm sure someone will be able to figure it all out.

I published a short description of what I had and a listing of what I thought was the first card in the program on 21 June 2004 at http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv014.cgi?read=59020 . There was no response.

A little over a year earlier on 10 May 2003 Gene Wright had asked if anyone knew about this program and there were no responses.

Palmer


Edited: 19 Aug 2009, 10:31 p.m.


#56

I don't think that is the first card.

A first attempt at a decode:

LBL A looks like the entry of this part of the program.

LBL a is the start of a loop that seems like the calculator and player are taking turns clearing the board.

LBL 0 is a random die roller that increments the chosen register. I assume this is the calculator's move code.

LBL 5 copies the primary to secondary registers and resets the counter in register 9. It uses LBL 6 to store and show the values as it goes.


- Pauli

#57

haven't had a chance to look at it yer

000
001 31 25 11 LBL A
002 00 0
003 33 00 STO 0
004 33 01 STO 1
005 33 02 STO 2
006 33 03 STO 3
007 33 04 STO 4
008 33 05 STO 5
009 33 06 STO 6
010 33 07 STO 7
011 33 08 STO 8
012 33 09 STO 9
013 32 25 11 LBL a
014 34 09 RCL 9
015 34 14 RCL D
016 32 61 xNEy
017 31 22 00 GSB 0
018 84 R/S
019 22 05 GTO 5
020 35 22 RTN
021 31 25 00 LBL 0
022 35 73 pi
023 34 12 RCL B
024 61 +
025 05 5
026 35 63 y^x
027 32 83 FRAC
028 33 12 STO B
029 06 6
030 71 x
031 31 83 INT
032 01 1
033 61 +
034 35 33 ST I
035 32 34 ISZ (i)
036 01 1
037 33 61 09 STO+ 9
038 22 31 11 GTO a
039 35 22 RTN
040 31 25 05 LBL 5
041 31 42 P<>S
042 01 1
043 00 0
044 35 33 ST I
045 34 24 RCL (i)
046 33 00 STO 0
047 31 22 06 GSB 6
048 33 01 STO 1
049 31 22 06 GSB 6
050 33 02 STO 2
051 31 22 06 GSB 6
052 33 03 STO 3
053 31 22 06 GSB 6
054 33 04 STO 4
055 31 22 06 GSB 6
056 33 05 STO 5
057 31 22 06 GSB 6
058 33 06 STO 6
059 31 42 P<>S
060 09 9
061 35 33 ST I
062 00 0
063 33 24 STO (i)
064 35 22 RTN
065 31 25 06 LBL 6
066 31 34 ISZ
067 34 24 RCL (i)
068 31 84 -x-
069 35 22 RTN
070 84 R/S

cheers, geoff


#58

Try this for slight better presented with some comments added by me:

000:
001: 31 25 11 LBL A
002: 00 0
003: 33 00 STO 0
004: 33 01 STO 1
005: 33 02 STO 2
006: 33 03 STO 3
007: 33 04 STO 4
008: 33 05 STO 5
009: 33 06 STO 6
010: 33 07 STO 7
011: 33 08 STO 8
012: 33 09 STO 9

013: 32 25 11 LBL a
014: 34 09 RCL 9
015: 34 14 RCL D
016: 32 61 x != y
017: 31 22 00 GSB 0
018: 84 R/S
019: 22 05 GTO 5
020: 35 22 RTN

021: 31 25 00 LBL 0 // Roll a die
022: 35 73 pi
023: 34 12 RCL B
024: 61 +
025: 05 5
026: 35 63 y^x
027: 32 83 FRAC
028: 33 12 STO B // B = FRAC((B+pi)^5)
029: 06 6
030: 71 x
031: 31 83 INT
032: 01 1
033: 61 +
034: 35 33 ST I // I = random 1 - 6
035: 32 34 ISZ (i)
036: 01 1
037: 33 61 09 STO+ 9
038: 22 31 11 GTO a
039: 35 22 RTN

040: 31 25 05 LBL 5 // Copy registers 10+ and show them
041: 31 42 P<>S
042: 01 1
043: 00 0
044: 35 33 ST I
045: 34 24 RCL (i)
046: 33 00 STO 0
047: 31 22 06 GSB 6
048: 33 01 STO 1
049: 31 22 06 GSB 6
050: 33 02 STO 2
051: 31 22 06 GSB 6
052: 33 03 STO 3
053: 31 22 06 GSB 6
054: 33 04 STO 4
055: 31 22 06 GSB 6
056: 33 05 STO 5
057: 31 22 06 GSB 6
058: 33 06 STO 6
059: 31 42 P<>S
060: 09 9
061: 35 33 ST I
062: 00 0
063: 33 24 STO (i) // Reset counter in register 9
064: 35 22 RTN

065: 31 25 06 LBL 6
066: 31 34 ISZ
067: 34 24 RCL (i)
068: 31 84 -x-
069: 35 22 RTN
070: 84 R/S


#59

Paul and Geoff:

Here is what I wrote about the bckgammon program back in 2004:

Quote:
Last summer I purchased an HP-67 at an estate sale. Among other items included with the calculator is a magnetic card pack labelled Backgammon. There are 36 cards in all. The cards all bear dates from 3.25.77 to 2.12.78. Cards bear labels from PGM LOGIC 1 through PGM LOGIC 5, Filling Home Base, Mask, Locke I/P Data and Locke Prgm. The remaining cards have some sort of seven digit code in formats such as 3 316103, 0 432330, etc. No instructions for playing the game accompanied the calculator. I am hoping to find someone who can provide the instructions.

The things that I do not know are:

1. Did the program really work or was it only in some stage of development. If the program really worked then it seems likely that it would have been published, particularly since there was a published program for the TI-59 in those olden days.

2. Are all 36 cards really needed for the program to run, or were some of the cards "data cards" used during the development or during runniing of the program.

If the program really worked then it was a substantial accomplishment and it would be appropriate to get it published with instructions on how to use it. Clearly, I am not the one to do that since I have never played backgammon. So I will make an offer. If either or both of you are willing to try to publish the program I am willing to send the set of cards to you with the sole provision that if you tire of the project and drop it then you will return the cards.

The cards are stored at my winter home. I expect to be there later this month. Lat me know what you might like to do.

Palmer


#60

Quote:
If either or both of you are willing to try to publish the program I am willing to send the set of cards to you with the sole provision that if you tire of the project and drop it then you will return the cards.

I'd be willing to give it a go, however I'm probably not the best choice since I don't have a 67/97 or access to one.

I do have a 41 with card reader but no way to get the programs anywhere useful without copying them by out hand.

If I could get listings (& register contents) from the cards along with the label written on them, I could work from there to decode the program. Anybody set up to extract the contents and generate a program listing?


- Pauli


#61

Paul:

I have an HP-67 with an operating card reader (thanks to Viktor Toth). I will do the downloads if we can't find someone else with an HP-67 to help, but it will certainly be slow going. These 80 year old eyes struggle with the LED readouts after only a few minutes. It is certainly something to do when one has trouble sleeping.

If you want to see what the TI-59 program looks like you can find it at Viktor Toth's site as PPX program 918127 (Thanks to Gene Wright for coordinating the publication of all those old programs).

Palmer


#62

Quote:
Paul:

I have an HP-67 with an operating card reader (thanks to Viktor Toth). I will do the downloads if we can't find someone else with an HP-67 to help, but it will certainly be slow going. These 80 year old eyes struggle with the LED readouts after only a few minutes. It is certainly something to do when one has trouble sleeping.

Palmer


Hi Palmer,

If you have trouble reading the 67 LED display, I recommend of course, getting a 97! The digits are almost a quarter inch high.

Also I was browsing thru the Museum DVD and in the Key Notes, Vol 1 1977, pg 11, someone had found another solution. They used a Bausch & Lomb reading glass, which is a half cylinder reading magnifier that is supposed to rest on top of a book page. It doubles the size of the digits. They cut it lengthwise to fit across the display.

Cheers,

-- Dan


#63

Quote:
If you have trouble reading the 67 LED display, I recommend of course, getting a 97! The digits are almost a quarter inch high.

If you're going to use a 97, just print the cards out and I'll work from that...

Palmer, if you are going to suffer undue hardshhip doing this on a 67, I'll do it one my 41.


- Pauli


#64

Quote:
If you're going to use a 97, just print the cards out and I'll work from that...

Palmer, if you are going to suffer undue hardshhip doing this on a 67, I'll do it one my 41.

- Pauli


I don't have access to an HP-97 and don't have a card reader for my HP-41's. So, if you are willing to give it a try I am willing to send the set of cards to you. Send me a shippiing address if you want to do that.

Are the cards at risk if i send them through the mail?

Palmer


#65

Naturally there is some small risk in sending them by mail. We've had two or three packages go missing in the last 10 or so years.

The risk would be lessened if someone in (I assume) the USA was willing to read the cards. Please anyone?

- Pauli


#66

I am in the US (Phoenix) and I have a working HP97. I'd be willing to load them and print them out, scan them to a file, then send the cards back. Send me a PM if you want to do this.


#67

Quote:
I am in the US (Phoenix) and I have a working HP97. I'd be willing to load them and print them out, scan them to a file, then send the cards back. Send me a PM if you want to do this.

Pauli writes separately that he thinks that may be the best idea. I need a mailing address. I have no real use for the cards other than to hold them until someone is able to try to run the program. So, when you are done printing them out you could keep them, forward them to Pauli or return them to me.

My question about mailing was not about losing them but rather whether there was a possibility that they might be damaged magnetically. What do you think?

Palmer


#68

Quote:
whether there was a possibility that they might be damaged magnetically

I very much doubt it.

I suspect they are similar to the magnetic strip on the back of all credit cards - all of which that I have ever received (and they all came in the regular mail) seem to work fine.

#69

Quote:
If you want to see what the TI-59 program looks like you can find it at Viktor Toth's site as PPX program 918127 (Thanks to Gene Wright for coordinating the publication of all those old programs).

Program 918217, in case anyone else is going to look at it.

- Pauli

#70

What is the condition of the HP-67 you just got ?


#71

This is the machine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396229992&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

#72

Excellent Jimmy. I had been watching that auction. My notes were "unpowered, untested, excellent cosmetics". I thought about bidding but I have enough on my plate right now.

Actually I am looking for an HP65 that is a total basket case to restore.

#73

I am glad this thread was initiated, because I see this as a sign: I want to acquire an HP-67 myself, and I have a couple of "packages" to offer in exchange; I will post the trade offer on the classifieds section soon.

#74

Firstly, let me say, GOOD JOB! Not a bad price for a classic HP-67. I know there have been better deals, but that is rare, especially at EBay.

My find:

Picked up an unused HP-67 in its original box for $50.

In the box was the following:

shrink wrapped prgraming pad
shrink wrapped manual
shrink wrapped HP-67 games box
shrink wrapped HP-67 statistics package and box
shrink wrapped external classic battery charger
two unused adapters (wall warts)
two PPC journal copies
the quick reference card
the original magnetic card holder
two unused (but leaked) battery packs in a zip lock from HP

I explained to the owner, a 97 year old archeologist, that the package should be valued around $300 plus dollars. He stated that he wanted it working, but that the new rebuilt battery pack would not power the calculator and that for $20 he bought a Casio that would do the statistics he needed for a publication. He did not want it fixed, but wanted a good home for it.

I explained that I would try to fix it but that the card reader would need a new dampening couple and pinch roller. Plus the trouble shoot to find the power supply problem. He did not want to be bothered! So I ended up giving him another $50 for a total of $100. He did not think that was necessary and gave it back to me.

I got home and found out it was the battery pack rebuild that was unservicable. I powered up the 67, tried a card, and it ran perfectly. I removed the battery pack and have kept the unit unsuded since. I did tell him that I got it working and that I would repair it for him (the card reader) although it did work at the moment.

His response was thanks, but it's yours, enjoy.

Those of you at HCC2008 would have seen this one on display.

Cheers, Geoff


Edited: 19 Aug 2009, 11:46 a.m. after one or more responses were posted


#75

I recently saw a clearly defective HP-65 on eBay being bought for something like 50 or 60 dollars. I figured this was an OK price to pay for a "state unknown" HP-67.

Besides, it seems I've always had some kind of luck with my eBay purchases... they're always better than what I expect.


#76

I use a simple rule:

"Only buy "broken" or "as is". You are never dissappointed.

I broke that rule on the HP-41C tallnut posting below. It was described as in excellent condition. All keys function. The photo was extremely blurry, in fact, I thought it was a tall keys version with gold contact balls but did not know until it arrived.

When I got it, the right display driver was obviously shot, sending out spurious signals creating a weird display. The case was excellent with the contact hatch still presen and perfect i/o assembly. The keys were perfect and the leatherette case still had it's original foam.

So it should have been advertised as "Funny display but calculator in great PHYSICAL condition." I did not follow up with the questions I usually ask due to the short time limit I had when I found the listing.

98 is excellent for the HP 67 even if you need to repair the pinch roller and dampening couple! Enjoy it.

I have 5 now, one NOS as pictured, another from the first month of the first year in a Nearly New looking case and 3 others. All the readers have been repaired and the cases restored to as new condition.

This is still my favourite calculator, including the 41CX and the 42S which go to work every day I am in the cockpit.

Cheers, Geoff

#77

Quote:
Those of you at HCC2009 would have seen this one on display.

Only those of us with time machines!


#78

nt

#79

Quote:
The box is stamped $450.

Ah, the coveted HP 67. Many years ago, I worked for a small city, which shall remain nameless. My boss, the City Engineer, had a 67 which he had requested the City to purchase for his use. When he left the City's employ, the 67 turned up missing. I heard a report that he was questioned as to its whereabouts, to which he replied that it had been "stolen out of his car". Which theft he had failed to report until asked where was the calculator. I remember comments made at the time to the effect that "he just HAD to have that $450.00 calculator..."

I won't say he took it, but I can perhaps understand rationalizing that no one he left behind would have known how to use it.

Except perhaps me.


#80

Just kidding, wasn't me ;-)


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  General Electric CE 93 RPN calculator - and more... Joerg Woerner 0 144 11-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Last Post: Joerg Woerner
  Inside my 93 Arnaud Amiel 6 456 03-26-2005, 03:03 AM
Last Post: Arnaud Amiel
  How much would an HP-35 cost in today's dollars? Jeremy 2 350 04-02-2003, 03:06 PM
Last Post: db(martinez,california)
  Replica Labels - HP-67 on eBay with Fake Mike 1 202 04-24-2002, 10:16 AM
Last Post: Ellis Easley
  Bought a new HP 42S for 66 US Dollars Ignacio Moratinos 8 514 07-07-2000, 08:33 PM
Last Post: Mike Sebastian

Forum Jump: