Happy Xmas days and an even happier New Year!



#2

As subject indicates:

I wish you all some nice and relaxed days, and a healthy new year:-)

Raymond


#3

I assent to Raymond: I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year... (Yes, you know the song and some of you also know I could sing that)...

Best regards
Matthias Wehrli


#4

DUP


#5

3 PICK

#6

Why is there no OT in front of the thread's subject?


#7

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Why is there no OT in front of the thread's subject?

Ummmh ... since we needed you to find this? d8)

All the best to all the members of this forum.


#8

Oh, well...sigh...I had just hoped for a silent spot, free from religion and Christmas craziness.


#9

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Oh, well...sigh...I had just hoped for a silent spot, free from religion and Christmas craziness.

Such irony, given your moniker.


#10

Names can be such a burden! Alexanders have to be Great, Adonises have to be hunks, Alberts have to have IQs over 150 and George Baileys have to believe in angels and be crazy about Christmas.


#11

Well, it was your choice, wasn't it?


#12

One's names tend to be one's parent's choices.

>>>CLICK<<<, message #7.


Edited: 24 Dec 2008, 3:09 p.m.


#13

Of course you're right, George, I just got you mixed up with another person, using a pseudonym herein. So sorry ;)

#14

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Oh, well...sigh...I had just hoped for a silent spot, free from religion and Christmas craziness.

Note to Raymond.. Sheesh, sorry some people can't accept a simple greeting of goodwill. (Is "goodwill" off limits?)

In my mind, your wish for "nice and relaxing days" align perfectly with what George wants, "a silent spot, free from.. craziness". Who doesn't?

Even after "sanitizing" your subject line, those four letters are apparently too much for George (the body of your message didn't say anything about "religion and Christmas").

I for one, appreciate your greeting, and wish the same for you and your family (including George's)!

Matt

p.s. I like what the bumper sticker on my neighbor's car says.

#15

Hi there everybody!

Although I'm mostly a useless piece of "flesh with (red) eyes" nowadays... consequence of a very nasty flu; I also want to share the Xmas spirit (no, I won't share my flu... :-))

Best wishes for all of you and your beloved persons in this Xmas season and the forthcoming new year.

From the -not so warm lately- Canary Islands.

Diego.

#16

Merry Christmas from the land of Santa (NO, Santa did _not_ move to Finland, that's just marketing BS).

Have a happy holiday!


#17

There is no Santa - ChristMas is about Christ Jesus....


#18

Deny Santa, and there will be no presents for thee...


#19

:-D

#20

My best wishes to you all!

Massimo


#21

from here, too, my best wishes. It was great meeting many of you this fall!

Cheers

Peter

#22

Raymond, thank you for your good wishes. I didn't want to offend you personally. My sorry excuse for an excuse is just that I'm annoyed these days as everybody assumes that everybody else is a fellow Christian. Well, as you may have guessed, I'm not.This I believe. I just don't like mixing stuff with religion or politics. That's all. I realize now I should have kept my non-religion to myself as well. I should not have tried mixing stuff with non-religion. Have a nice time everybody. Keep thinking free.


#23

To one and all, whatever your beliefs, have a happy and safe holiday.

#24

Yes - you are entitled to your opinion
- thanks to freedom of speech - but so am I

God Xists


#25

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Yes - you are entitled to your opinion
- thanks to freedom of speech - but so am I

God Xists


Sure you are entitled to your beliefs.

Let me try to explain what my problem is: When I'm talking about, say, calculators or math in general, I prefer not to mingle that with talk about religion or politics. That's because I find it exceptionally hard to differentiate that person's math skills from that person's religion or politics, once I know about it. If I oppose his or her politics, I don't have a clear view on his or her math arguments. I find it hard not to view the person's arguments through the political or religious spectacles. They're tainted in my eyes, so to say. (Math is not a very good example; it's harder with more controversial topics.)

When you attend a social dinner, it's always been good practice not to talk about religion or politics. I would have liked to keep it this way on this forum as well. For this same reason I will not discuss the link you posted, although I've read it.


#26

I'll answer you with a better letter
when we have a world wide calculator birthday celebration
;-)

#27

Quote:
...everybody assumes that everybody else is a fellow Christian. Well, as you may have guessed, I'm not.

I believe the above felicitation is what you are looking for. :-)

#28

Quote:

I believe the above felicitation is what you are looking for. :-)


It sure is. Only it's Julian calendar...


#29

Is "Julian" from Caius Julius Ceasar?


#30

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Is "Julian" from Caius Julius Ceasar?

Yes, Gaius Iulius Caesar. Julian Calendar as opposed to Gregorian Calendar, initiated by Pope Gregor, difference of two weeks, caused by slightly faulty astronomy in the Julian one.

That's the beauty of Newton's day: you can celebrate it twice. And even thrice if you consider Helmut Newton (the photographer) also worthy, which I do.

So December 25, January 4 and October 31: it's Newton's day!

And Bogart-day, Sadat-day, Spacek-day, Pitcairne-day, Chevrolet-day, Hilton-day, Dido-day and many-more-others-day ;-)

Edited: 25 Dec 2008, 6:32 a.m. after one or more responses were posted


#31

Quote:
Yes, Gaius Iulius Caesar. Julian Calendar as opposed to Gregorian Calendar, initiated by Pope Gregor, difference of two weeks, caused by slightly faulty astronomy in the Julian one.

For sake of justice, IIRC two weeks were the accumulated errors when the Julian calender was replaced by the Gregorian after some 1500 years.
#32

Quote:
It sure is. Only it's Julian calendar...

And what difference does that make?

(Catholics etc. still celebrate Christ's birth on the 25th December just as they did before the calendar change. This is why they are now out of step with the Orthodox churches.)


#33

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And what difference does that make?


The difference from Julian to Gregorian date puts Newton's birthday on January 4th in our current calendar
>>>CLICK<<<

Quote:
During Newton's lifetime, two calendars were in use in Europe: the Julian or 'Old Style' in Britain and parts of northern Europe (Protestant) and eastern Europe, and the Gregorian or 'New Style', in use in Roman Catholic Europe and elsewhere. At Newton's birth, Gregorian dates were ten days ahead of Julian dates: thus Newton was born on Christmas Day, 25 December 1642 by the Julian calendar, but on 4 January 1643 by the Gregorian. By the time he died, the difference between the calendars had increased to eleven days. Moreover, prior to the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in the UK in 1752, the English new year began (for legal and some other civil purposes) on 25 March ('Lady Day', i.e. the feast of the Annunciation: sometimes called 'Annunciation Style') rather than on 1 January (sometimes called 'Circumcision Style').

The interesting question to me is: what did people do who lived when the new calendar was adopted? Did they celebrate their birthdays on the new date or did they just not care? I at least don't care. I will go on celebrating Newton's day on December 25th. ;-) Thanks again for reminding me...


Edited: 27 Dec 2008, 10:32 a.m.


#34

I know that people whose birthday fell within the missing days had to shift their birthday back by the number of days. I assume that the new date was then fixed thereafter for them at least. With regard to other people, it would make sense for them to be shifted back as well, since otherwise two people might start A older than B and wind up A younger than B!

I don't have any reference for this, except for people whose birthday did fall in the interval. This was to prevent minors attaining full majority earlier than they should (was considered a serious problem at the time).

Also i am reminded of a Joke....

Q: Why do calculator people mix up Christmas and Halloween?


A: because Dec 25 = Oct 31

ho ho ho!
Happy New Year!

#35

One thing is certain, these discussions are akin to an endless loop.
I've never seen one end with an agreement, nor have I ever seen one end with someone realizing they are on the wrong side of the argument.

Hopefully, some fine day, human beings will find a way stop killing each other in the name of beliefs. Perhaps it starts with tolerance.

-Mike

#36

George:

I read your link to "This I believe". I'm curious. When did the "There is no God" folks come to the understanding that they were no more than just another bunch of believers? The "atheists" that I encountered when I was an undergraduate in the late 1940's certainly weren't accepting of any idea such as that. God only knows that I tried to explain it to them at the time.

Palmer


#37

Palmer,

I respect you very much. Therefor I will this once eat my own words and mix calcs and something unrelated:

I don't know what other atheist folks would tell you and how they would argue. This is only my view and reasoning.

Is there a nuclear power plant in your backyard? Do you KNOW there is none or do you only BELIEVE there is none?

Next time you're throwing a party and someone comes up to you telling you the Mona Lisa painting is in your very own closed fridge. Will you seriously consider to walk over and open it to have a look?

In science, the one who claims the existence of something has to prove it to everybody else. Not the other way round. Up until that somebody can prove the existence, everyone is safe to say "it doesn't exist", not only "I believe it doesn't exist".

I suppose we both are not only non-believers in Wotan, Santa, Jupiter, Earth's second and third moon. We KNOW that they are not.

Believing the alternative (non-god) and not believing at all are logically different. Someone who is not believing is not just "another kind of believer".

Have a nice free thinking time!

Best regards,
George Bailey

Edited: 26 Dec 2008, 6:09 a.m.


#38

Believing <> knowing

that's why it's called faith,
not Gnosis/knowledge

So it's not in the category of science nor calculators

Yet I still kKNOW that Jesus is my Lord and Savior
anbd that God Jehova exists, has been and will be

Merry Xmas or Happy Hanukkai &#8207;&#1495;&#1504;&#1493;&#1499;&#1492;&#8206;, the Messiah will come!


#39

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Believing <> knowing

Exactly my point. Therefor a non-believer is something else than a not-believer. The former believes in the opposite than the believer, the latter will only accept what can be known, what does not require faith. Palmer O. Hanson sees atheists as believers of the opposite, I see us (!) not believing at all, only accepting what can be known, what everyone else can check objectively.

Quote:
Yet I still kKNOW that Jesus is my Lord and Savior
anbd that God Jehova exists, has been and will be

Are we using the same language, and the same meaning of "to know" and "to believe"? In my usage of these words you could only state

Quote:
Yet I still believe that Jesus is...

From now on I will keep my mouth shut in this wonderful place about anything else than calculators and math.

#40

George:

You wrote "Have a nice free thinking time!"

A few years ago there was a severe disagreement between two well-regarded members of my church. Since I knew both individuals quite well I was asked to try to mediate. The best that I could do was to get both to "agree to disagree". In matters of religion I suspect that is where you and I are. In matters more suited to this forum I suspect that we would seldom disagree.

Happy New Year!

Palmer


#41

Quote:
In matters more suited to this forum I suspect that we would seldom disagree.

Palmer,

that is exactly how I see it. Happy New Year to you, too!

Best regards,
George Bailey

#42

For those that do not know, this is the biggest snow fall we have had in the last 30 years in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

I have actually mowed the lawn in December and golfed in January in the past. We usually get a light dusting for a two week stretch and maybe 2 or 3 inches at most for the year but this all happened in the last 5 days. Another 20 cm to fall today! for a total of 40cm.

Enjoy the pics:

Merry Christmas!


#43

Okay Geoff, I'll bite...

Why are your clocks showing different times?

:-)


#44

My other hobby is restoring clocks and watches, well watches mainly.

We have over 30 clocks in the house and the one on the right is actually the only one ticking. Had them all running for a day but my wife almost shot me! So one Westminster chime only

Funnelly, (word?) all the rest are correct twice a day!!!


Cheers, Geoff

Here is one of my restorations; 1812 Georgian bracket clock:


#45

whatever makes you tick...

#46

... for all friends here at the MoHPC!!


#47

Hi everyone,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2009.
Best wishes for all the HP-enthusiasts.

Best Regards,
JM. Baillard

#48

My wife bought me a share of HP stock, complete with framed stock certificate. I now hold a stake in the company I love!


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