PIL-Box news



#36

Dear all,

The presentation I did at the Allschwil meeting is now available here .

With the help of some members of our community, I'm working on how to do a first small production. If you are interested, please contact me (see on my site) so I can have a idea of the "market". In return, I will give you more details and let you know a possible price.

Jean-Francois


#37

Hello J-F,

Most impressed with your PIL box project, I hope it comes to fruition soon!

Will you commercialize it amongst the community?

All the best,
ÁM


#38

Hello!

Quote:
Most impressed with your PIL box project...

Yes, very impressive! Unfortunately, I really wouldn't know what do do with it. But if it's not going to be too expensive (30-50 Euros?) I may buy one for the sake of collecting!

Greetings, Max

NB: I like your Tektronix Oscilloscope! (I could only afford the Chinese clone version the sell on eBay.)


#39

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NB: I like your Tektronix Oscilloscope! (I could only afford the Chinese clone version the sell on eBay.)

Old TDS-210/220's like that one go for around $500 on Ebay. But for almost the same price you can get a fancy new Rigol:

http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1052E.html

Don't touch those Chinese rip-off's they are atrocious.

Dave.


#40

I've never used one, but the Rigol looks about the same as any of the other Chinese oscilliscopes. Do you actually have one?

I think I'd either get a used Tektronix or LeCroy.

Edited: 11 Nov 2008, 6:37 p.m.


#41

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I've never used one, but the Rigol looks about the same as any of the other Chinese oscilliscopes. Do you actually have one?

I used to have one at my previous company, they are very good value for the money and well made. I never found a single firmware bug or performance issue.

Rigol have a very good industry reputation, so good in fact that Agilent re-badge them as their own. All of the very low end Agilent scopes (e.g. 3000 series) are designed and manufactured by Rigol.

Rigol also designed their own front end samplers, which at the time was quite remarkable.

When Agilent first rebadged them they used to look identical, only the badge and firmware logo were different. Now Rigol have shot off ahead and produced a wide range of their own units. Seems like a new model is coming out every six months or something.

The other "low-end" maker with a good rep is Instek (Goodwill).

So basically, if you aren't buying Tek, Agilent, Lecroy, Hameg, Rigol or Instek, you are buying worthless junk.

Dave.


#42

OK, thanks for the info on Rigol. I'll definitely consider them the next time I'm evaluating scopes. It's unfortunate that they don't seem to have any four-channel models; I've gotten spoiled with the four channel Tek scopes I've used, starting with the 2246 analog and more recently with a TDS3054. I certainly can't justify the cost of purchasing my own TDS3054, though.

Update: I see that they do make four-channel scopes, they just aren't listed on the Rigol web site. They're listed on the tequipment.net site, though.

Edited: 11 Nov 2008, 7:34 p.m.


#43

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OK, thanks for the info on Rigol. I'll definitely consider them the next time I'm evaluating scopes. It's unfortunate that they don't seem to have any four-channel models; I've gotten spoiled with the four channel Tek scopes I've used, starting with the 2246 analog and more recently with a TDS3054. I certainly can't justify the cost of purchasing my own TDS3054, though.

Yes, it's hard to justify a higher end scope for personal use when you have access to high end gear at work.

I've got an old Tek TDS-210 at home (plus a 4 channel analog) that does the job.

If I was spending my own money on a new scope, I'd be going for either Rigol or Instek. The new Rigol model wins hands down now with it's huge sample memory, compared to the equivalent Instek. Best bang-per-buck on the market.

Dave.


#44

Oh, the reason I'd be buying a scope is that I won't have access to one at work.

I've got the Tek 2246, which I was able to acquire inexpensively when an employer closed up shop. It is decent as far as 100 MHz analog 4-channel scopes go, but I really want a DSO to capture single-shot events.

The Rigol 4-channel scope does not have the deep memory, and actually costs nearly as much as the low-end Tek. I'll see what Instek has.


#45

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Oh, the reason I'd be buying a scope is that I won't have access to one at work.

I've got the Tek 2246, which I was able to acquire inexpensively when an employer closed up shop. It is decent as far as 100 MHz analog 4-channel scopes go, but I really want a DSO to capture single-shot events.

The Rigol 4-channel scope does not have the deep memory, and actually costs nearly as much as the low-end Tek. I'll see what Instek has.


What do you use the extra channels for? If it's mainly for digital work then you should be looking at the mixed signal scopes, they are really handy for embedded debugging work.

I think Rigol had a cheap 25MHz mixed signal scope that was great value if you were happy with the low analog bandwidth.

Models keep changing so often it's hard to keep up!

Dave.


#46

I've got a 16500C logic analyzer for digital stuff, with three 16557D plugins for 204 channels of 135 MHz state or 500 MHz timing analysis. The processor in the 16500C is too underpowered, though, so I'd like to get a used 16700 series mainframe.

I don't often need four channels on a scope, but I don't find it uncommon to want to look at three signals.

#47

I am very interested in your PIL-Box and will probably purchase one immediately when available. Thank you for all the work you in support of HP-71B users. John Pierce

#48

I've just read the presentation pdf, but am not sure if I understand it completely. Thus my question: would I have to have the HP-IL module in my HP 71b or could I connect my bare 71B to an USB port of my XP system? Would it be possible for you to provide some sort of connector for the PIL-Box to connect directly to a 71B without the need of an HP-IL module in it? If I had it finally connected, would I be able to read and write data and programs from the 71B to the XP PC both ways? Would all necessary software be provided?

Regards,
George Bailey


#49

Hi Georges,

The PIL-Box is not dedicated to one machine, it's a HP-IL to serial translator so the connexion to the calculators (41/71/75) is through their respective HP-IL interfaces. With a suitable software (e.g. the "ILPer" example on my site - will be free), you will be able to read/write to a mass storage simulated on the PC.

I assume it was more clear for the people who attended the demo...

J-F


#50

Thanks! So, provided it will be available, I would need your box and the 71B HP-IL interface and could then use the PC as mass storage. For up to EUR 30 (depending on how much I would pay for an HP-IL interface, maybe even more ;-) ) I would be very much interested.

Regards,
George

#51

George,

As far as I've understood it, it's called PIL since it's a PC to IL converter. Thus IF you have got a PC AND you have got IL THEN you're in :)

Ooops, Jean-Francois was some seconds faster :D

Edited: 11 Nov 2008, 10:55 a.m.

#52

Hello Jean-François,

This is to express my interest for the PIL Box (also sent to your email)!

Cordialement

Etienne

#53

I'm also very interested. Great work!

This has some very good potential.

Email sent also.


Edited: 12 Nov 2008, 3:59 p.m.

#54

I am extremely interested even above EUR 100 (but obviously as cheap as possible :)

#55

Count me in!

#56

Hello Jean-François,

I am in for 2 boxes.

Patrice


Bonjour Jean-François,

Je suis partant pour 2 exemplaires à des fins de test.

Dans un second temps, je pourrai t'en demander une demi-douzaine.

Comme nous en avons discuté, je travaille actuellement avec HPILLINK qui simule un stockage de masse qui enregistre des fichiers individuels sur PC avec une entête devant. Tu disais que tu avais un utilitaire qui faisait le boulot DOSLINK.

Pourrai-tu nous préciser l'ordre de grandeur du coût de la boite.

Patrice

#57

Hello Jean-Francois,

I'm also very interested. Great work and good presentation. In addition I sent you an e-mail.

Kind regards

Karl

#58

Salut Jean-François,

je suis également très intéressé (j'ai aussi envoyé un email).

Cordialement,

Pascal.

#59

Hallo Jeff,
I am really interested to your Work (USB PIL-Box) and I have read carefully your presentation. GREAT!

I will buy it whenever is ready.
I wait news from you as soon as.

thanks for your work.
stefano

#60

Hello J-F,

I would definately be interested in your product. I expect a production of small quantities not to be cheap but I respect the effort and dedication and would pay any price adequate for the expenses and a reasonable profit.

Kind regards and sorry I could not meet you in Alschwil.
Alexander Wassermann

#61

Jean-François,

you can sell a box to me quite easily, if you wish.

What about plugs, sockets and cables? I guess, they are still proprietary. What I could see from the pictures is that you've cut an original cable in two halves and soldered one end of each half directly to the box. Will this be the final solution?

Marcus


#62

The prefered solution will be to use a HP-IL cable (only one) to connect the PIL-Box, as you described it. However, if no cable is available, there are alternative solutions at least for the HP41 HPIL module, for instance cut the cables and connect them to the PIL box, or put an intermediate connector.

J-F

#63

Count me in for 1 box!

#64

Can you give us an estimate, an order of magnitude, on how much it might cost?

Just to let you know, what it could be worth to me, I will have to honestly say that it will be "only" a toy for me as I'm neither using my calculators in any way professionally nor am I a serious collector. I realize that you've put hard work and time into it and I guess that the parts alone might cost more than I might be willing to pay for it. I also understand that the PILBox can be put to serious professional use by those who use it in labs on a daily basis, which I don't. So, if I say I would be willing to pay around 30 €, this only reflects my "need" for another toy, but not at all it reflects what your work is worth.

As I stated above, I don't even own HP-IL equipment for my 71B. So, if there was a way to connect the PILBox directly to that machine (with some kind of crocodile clamps or such), that would be the way to go for me.


#65

George, you will need the HP-IL interface in your 71, otherwise the new toy will not work with it.


#66

I have a number of HP-71s, with HPIL interfaces available. One or two have corrosion in the battery compartment so could be considered useful only for the HPIL interface.

#67

Hi J-F,

as I said on the Allschwil meeting, I also like to get one PIL box:-)

So, count me in.

Regards

Raymond

#68

Salut Jean-Francois,

I'd also take a PIL box. This a great addition to the HPIL system. Thanks for your effort.

Regards, Daniel


#69

I am also very interested. However, it depends on the price... If < 100€, I would definitely buy one.

#70

I also want to buy, please make one for me!

Regards,
Oleg


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