hp 35s arrived

[ssf]

Finally hp 35s!

http://www.calculators-hp.com/pdf/35s.pdf

[Gene Wright]

Note that the BIG ENTER key is back and in the proper place.

[Thibaut.be]

Seems they've been reading this forum...

Looking forward to seeing this calc.

[marais]

holy shit, they listened! They even put on the silver strip as a reference to the 35. It's all there, look at the feature list. I jsut can't believe it. Anybody know when this wonder will be available in Europe?

[Walter B]

That exceeds my expectations, even some of my dreams. Seems we have some more readers than we did know so far. Where and when can I order one?

[Hugh Evans]

Don't you mean two? That's what I'm buying, and since hearing my fathers response this news he will be doing the same.

[Walter B]

Hugh,

so far, I'm content with one sample of each scientific HP model. I don't see a need to change this policy, also since I hope for more models of similar kind and design. I've got some models aged >30, and they are still going strong :-) And HP won't stop production of this new 35s after some months, I guess, based on all the resonance seen here. BTW, this buying policy saves some money for other expenses, too...

[Karl Schneider]

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Anybody know when this wonder will be available in Europe?

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Perhaps sooner than in North America. After not finding anything about the HP-35s at HP's official website (www.hp.com/calculators), I decided to browse the site originally provided (http://www.calculators-hp.com), and found the following:

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www.calculators-hp.com is the official hp partner site for EMEA.

In 2007, Solution Micro System (SMS) has become the official importer and distributor for hp calculators for Europe, Middle East & Africa. SMS is more seeking for resellers & partners in each available countries.

In 2006, SMS has become the official partner ans importer for HP Calculators for EMEA*. In 2007, SMS is setting up a complete network of exclusive distributor per country.

www.sms.fr

* SMS has distribution for all Europe, Middle East Africa excluding Spain, Portugal,Germany, Austia and Italy.

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My nearest full-service retailer (in Wilsonville, Oregon) did not have any HP-35s in stock.

I would hope that the HP-35s is the replacement for the HP-33s.

I'm still wondering about a few things on the HP-35s, but the answers will have to wait until it's available. I, too, noticed the square brackets and the new "(j)". Yes, square brackets are how matrices are denoted on RPL-based models; "(i)" and "(j)" could serve as matrix indices. Matrices would also be the best use of "800+ independent storage registers". However, I'm just not seeing any commands that would provide matrix functionality. (Consider the HP-15C, with function keywords MATRIX, DIM, RESULT, and a number-coded set of useful functions.)

Remember also that the indirect pointer-containing register was denoted "i" on the HP-33S, and that "(i)" provided access to the pointed register. Lower case was used to prevent confusion with the lettered register "I". On the HP-35S, however, there is an "i" that enters the basis of imaginary-valued numbers. So, "(j)" could be used to provide access to the pointed register now specified in "(i)".

Just curious: Where are "IP" and "FP"? I also don't see polar<->rectangular conversions, which might now reside under "ARG".

UNDO is a good use of RPL functionality to exploit the 31 kB of memory. However, the HP-32/33 paradigm and apparent lack of I/O will still render all that RAM difficult to fully utilize.

As far as I can tell, the HP-35s is still not an HP-15C, but it's a vast improvement over the HP-33s.

-- KS

Edited: 29 May 2007, 12:55 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

[Howard Owen]

I wonder if they will continue to be HP's EMEA partner after leaking this news. HP hates that sort of thing. Does the site have product in stock? I'm betting they don't. Outpost.com (owned by Fry's Electronics) is still selling the 33s as of this evening, so I think we are dealing with a prerelease announcement.

IP and FP do appear to be missing. These are very basic programming functions, so that leads me to wonder if there isn't more this calculator than meets the eye. Perhaps there are functions only accessible through menus? (Or perhaps "XEQ" is more like it's namesake on the 41C/42S?) Good catch on UNDO, also.

Regards,
Howard

Edited: 28 May 2007, 9:24 p.m.

[Tim Wessman]

LOGIC seems like a good place to lump tests and looping. . .

TW

[Tim Wessman]

Ignore that. I was obviously not reading that correctly and thinking of something else.

TW

[Ivan Nejgebauer]

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IP and FP do appear to be missing.

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I suppose that all integer functions were moved to a menu under INTG. IP and FP are not the only two functions missing; there are also INT/ and Rmdr.

i.

P.S. Very, very nice looking calculator. It looks like a HP device should: unassuming but powerful.

[db (martinez, ca.)]

Karl; ARG might be a function to run pirated software ;-)

I don't recognize nCr or nPr. Could that be another way of saying polar<>rectangular?

I won't be giving up my 41, but i'm buying one. I hope that it has the great battery handling system of the 33s.

[Les Bell]

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I don't recognize nCr or nPr. Could that be another way of saying polar<>rectangular?

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I'm betting Combinations and Permutations.

Best,

--- Les

[http://www.lesbell.com.au]

[Egan Ford]

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I don't recognize nCr or nPr. Could that be another way of saying polar<>rectangular?

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Combination,

Permutation,

[db (martinez, ca.)]

Les & Egan: Statistically speaking; you guys have a good chance of being right. All i learned about stats when i was in college in Nevada was to stay out of the casinos.

Hard to believe they left off p<>r & r<>p. I think that hp invented that. Oh well; no better way to get to know a new calc than writing two programs for it.

[Howard Owen]

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All i learned about stats when i was in college in Nevada was to stay out of the casinos.

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I don't know whether to say "Hah" to that, or "ARG". 8)

Regards,
Howard

[Gerson W. Barbosa]

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Anybody know when this wonder will be available in Europe?

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Have you read the French version?

"du 29 mai au 1er juin 2007

Monaco

Hall Apollinaire

Stand W58"

http://www.calculatrices-hp.com/

Regards,

Gerson.

[Karl Schneider]

Hi, Gerson --

After reviewing the French-language version website (with a little on-line translating), it seems to me that the HP-35S and HP-10S will be exhibited or introduced at this "MEDPI" electronics fair in Monaco during 29 May - 1 June, but the models will not be available for retail until sometime in Summer. I don't know if US/Canada introduction will be concurrent with 'foreign' introduction.

Note that "ete" (e's are 'accented') means "summer", and "juillet" means "July".

-- KS

[Walter B]

Karl,

on the home page (ACCUEIL) of this company, you can even choose an English version (e.g. for 'foreigners'), and you'll find "where to buy" with the following information for UK, Ireland, The Netherlands etc. In France, fnac is one of their distributors. No information for Germany, so I will continue checking.

Regards, Walter

[DaveJ]

I have heard from a local Australian dealer that the 35S has not even gone to mass production stage yet, so don't expect it anytime soon.

Dave.

[Karl Schneider]

Hi, all --

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Seems they've been reading this forum...

Looking forward to seeing this calc.

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holy s**t, they listened!

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I'll say! Yes, I strongly suspect that HP has been reading this Forum, because it seems that practically every item that I and others have posted about -- and more -- has been addressed. For example:

• The yellow-and-blue colors on a dark background with rectangular beveled keys for a neat arrangement is immediately noticable.
  
• The one-line complex-number display with "i" key and blue-shifted angle is present, and I hope it works as I've advocated.
  
• HYP is adjacent to the trigonometric keys.
  
• The logical grouping is much improved.
  
• The minimally-useful cube root and cube (x³) functions seem to be absent, despite what the ad copy says.
  

Yes, fundamentally it's a redesigned HP-33S, but the effort at first glance is very impressive.

I'll get one ASAP.

-- KS

Edited: 28 May 2007, 8:55 p.m.

[Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina)]

Alas, R/S and E+ are swapped... but I can live with this for sure!!!!

[BruceH]

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Alas, R/S and E+ are swapped... but I can live with this for sure!!!!

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Arse to you to ;-)

[Gerson W. Barbosa]

I'd like to use both the HP-50g and the HP-35s, but the lack of a keyboard standard might be a problem. I particularly appreciated the row above the ENTER key, as it almost matches the one on the HP-48G/GX keyboard. If only there were an HP-50g version with this key pattern...

[bill platt]

When I grew from being a mere HP user to being a collector, one of the 1st awakenings I went through was the keyboard variations. After 4 years of collecting, I cam now quite good at going back and forth. It is rather similar to going from the workplace computer to the home computer--you just switch gears as it were.

I think a keyboard "standard" would be rather constricting to good design; on the other hand certain functions certainly do belong near each other.

One other ancedote:

I used an 11c for 13 years non-stop--and then had to replace it with the 32sii. I quickly adapted to that machine, appreciating its similarities with the 11c, along with the changes generally all for the better. Nevertheless when I finally bought an 11c again to begin my collection, I was amazed at how I was instantly back home. I found I even remembered the keycodes from programming it!