Here is the link: www.eduhp.cn/News/Detailed/71
Be quick!
NOTE: Original link was removed.
Try this:
http://www.cncalc.org/forum.php? mod=viewthread&tid=9087
Edited: 16 July 2013, 10:51 p.m. after one or more responses were posted
HP PRIME EMULATOR!!! From HP China Agency
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07-16-2013, 03:14 AM
Here is the link: www.eduhp.cn/News/Detailed/71
NOTE: Original link was removed. Edited: 16 July 2013, 10:51 p.m. after one or more responses were posted
07-16-2013, 05:52 AM
thank-you very much, I'm curious to play with it.
07-16-2013, 05:54 AM
Thank you! (Been playing with it just for 15 minutes... About CAS Mode (Oh dear..) No implied multiplication... and no RPN entry mode?? (It looks like it has nice things there, but I don't have too much time now.)
07-16-2013, 06:10 AM
48MB! Gosh! But works - Thanks! d:-)
07-16-2013, 06:31 AM
Has it already disappeared? I see (with Google Translate) "Click here to download the emulator" but I see no link there...
07-16-2013, 06:37 AM
Quote:It HAS! Just click the Setting on the left side of the keypad.
07-16-2013, 06:40 AM
That's why I said "BE QUICK".
07-16-2013, 06:53 AM
Well, I can't make it work when in CAS mode. It shows the stack only in function mode...
07-16-2013, 06:55 AM
After all it's a pre release version...
07-16-2013, 07:25 AM
Thanks, it works. Very excited! :) Any chance to see the user's manual too? This looks like a very complex beast...
07-16-2013, 07:27 AM
Quote:All manuals (in several languages) are included in the setup! Franz
07-16-2013, 07:37 AM
What is the emulator revision ?
07-16-2013, 07:39 AM
Quote:Pre-Release 1
07-16-2013, 07:40 AM
In fact it's a pre release edition. If you click the About, then you will see "hp-39gii" instead of PRIME.
07-16-2013, 07:42 AM
Also, as found by adriweb, the manual is imcomplete, with comments of the dev team. www.cncalc.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=9087&extra=&page=2
07-16-2013, 07:45 AM
Quote:Hmmm? Not here! The 'About' shows: PC version of HP Prime calculatorI guess you rather mean the Emulator help file (PDF), this one really is from the 39gII. Franz
Edited: 16 July 2013, 7:46 a.m.
07-16-2013, 07:53 AM
Well... according to the User Guide (p. 33):
Quote: ... (About implied multiplication: It looks like it can parse some expressions, but it fails for 1/x x BTW, units conversion suck, expression patterns are cool but not having a keyboard short-cut for the | ("with") operator is just dumb.)
Edited: 16 July 2013, 9:19 a.m.
07-16-2013, 08:23 AM
OK I realized the problem is that I chosed the Chinese language, and they haven't changed those resource files yet.
07-16-2013, 09:35 AM
For a prerelease not bad! There seem to be some issues with RPN entry and the Function Applet. Try to enter a function such as SIN(X) while in RPN mode. RPN seems to be active even outside the home screen and interferes with symbolic entry.
07-16-2013, 09:54 AM
If you press Help key, then press the Tree menu button, then select "About HP Prime", you'll see the actual software version, which is 2013 6 13 (4040). That's the date followed by the build number. Notice that it's over a month old. Therefore, don't put much stock in anything you see in this ancient build; there will be many changes made before final product release. I wonder who leaked this "pre-release" version. Edward Snowden, perhaps? ;-)
07-16-2013, 10:15 AM
Quote:I think HP sent the version to agency for test. Since they also gave several samples to students in Beijing for test. When I found the page at first, their is no download links, only a text saying: Click here for download. So I asked the agency directly. Then they put the file online.
07-16-2013, 10:35 AM
> | ("with") So you want it as a primary key function? That is the only way it could be more accessible. Right now it take 1 key click, and 1 tap.
07-16-2013, 10:47 AM
My review under construction (spanish) http://www.adictoshp.org/topic/350-review-hp-prime-virtual-calculator-on-pc/
07-16-2013, 10:55 AM
RPN works in these screens as well. 'SIN(X)' for an algebraic. Should it not work everywhere to the extent possible?
07-16-2013, 11:00 AM
Feel free to send me a message with any bugs found. I expect most of them will have been resolved by now, but appreciate any new ones. Comments also appreciated on any translation issues for languages. TW
07-16-2013, 11:33 AM
Joe, please do not type that person's name in this forum. We don't want the MiB or S.H.I.E.L.D. or TOA* to shut down our beloved calculator forum! *TOA - That Other Agency (that starts with an 'N' and ends with 'SA'). ;)
07-16-2013, 11:41 AM
When you do not have predefined variables, you cannot have implied multiplication. Why does it not exist on the 50g? Implied multiplication can only work when you disallow the ability to create and define variables, or at least have some strong limits there. You can work in some possible cases, but how do you know if the users wants "2XN" to be "2*X*N", "2XN", "2X*N", or "2*XN"? This is the same reason something like the nspire doesn't have implied multiplication. HOME does, since there are predefined variables there and it has small hurdles to variable creation.
TW
Edited: 16 July 2013, 11:42 a.m.
07-16-2013, 11:45 AM
TW, Since you are publicly soliciting our help, can you provide us with the latest build? Wouldn't you rather we debug the software you expect has no bugs? How is it beneficial for you (HP) to receive reports of bugs you expect are already fixed?? Please excuse my ignorance if there are legal reasons we can't have the latest builds, etc.
07-16-2013, 11:47 AM
Fair enough. I take it back as it works much better than I thought. Maybe because I was testing it in RPN mode (I know... it's meaningless that way) and tapping yielded a ' | ' pattern. It makes sense now. It was quite a let-down to realise that CAS is algebraic-only, though. (I don't really like modal calculators, but that surely wasn't your call so I won't fuss over it.) I've spotted a couple of typos in the menus (not in the associated functions): It should be "Divergence" and "Riemann Sum". It is probably a glitch in the emulator, but sub-menus associated to menu items are only opened when pressing the right-arrow. Tapping the screen opens them immediately. The pop-up options, as in "patterns", looks the way to go. Getting rid of pull-up menus would be interesting. Regards
07-16-2013, 12:04 PM
And that's why e.g. the TI 89 forbids alphanumeric variables that start with numbers (and treats all contiguous characters after the last number before the first letter in a string as the name of a variable). It is perfectly reasonable and there are zillions of combinations left to label them anyway. The benefits outweigh the limitations IMHO. But I was mostly referring to this:
Edited: more examples -> But
Edited: 16 July 2013, 12:34 p.m.
07-16-2013, 01:09 PM
Not on mine :(
07-16-2013, 01:57 PM
Quote:That's impossible. The setup (HP_Prime_Virtual_Calculator_PreRelease1.exe) installs 3 different manuals (Quick_Start_Guide, User_Guide and Emulator_Help) as PDF files in 7 different languages (IIRC, I've already deleted most of them) in the HP-Prime folder. Franz
07-16-2013, 03:09 PM
I've read about the Prime connecting to a teacher's laptop with a wireless dongle, but the articles suggest that the calculator is just a slave to the laptop and cannot inititate communication.
I can't find too much in the emulator use manual. What exactly can the calculator do with I/O? Can I connect to ANY bluetooth device? Can it be master or slave? Or is it just the HP bluetooth that I can connect to? Thanks!
07-16-2013, 04:24 PM
Thinking some 40 years back: "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose" - not even private data ... d;-/
07-16-2013, 04:38 PM
Quote:Aauugghh!!! Good point! I didn't think of that. <sheepish grin>
07-16-2013, 04:55 PM
Same here. A window pops up with: "The help file pdf was not found." The PDFs are installed, but I had no PDF viewer installed. After I installed SumatraPDF the Help files opened.
07-16-2013, 05:14 PM
Quote:No need to go 40 years back. This is at least as good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FpDWTyI4S0 Quote:This is so true, and a lot of people will probably never realize that. Or as Goethe put it: Quote: I guess ignorance is bliss ;)
07-16-2013, 05:25 PM
We should be mentioning Snowden's name every bit as much as we possibly can. False positives are far and away the commonest result from this kind of surveillance, so lets give them plenty more.
07-16-2013, 05:36 PM
Quote: This will be a very missed feature. Sure it is difficult, but still much easier than going to the moon :-) "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and to do these other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard" (JFK)
07-16-2013, 05:44 PM
Spanish version: First menu ("Calculadora"), third item: "Check for updates" is not translated (should be "Buscar actualizaciones"). First menu ("Calculadora"), fourth item ("Idioma") inconsistent notation: some languages are capitalized (English Deutsch, Nederlands), others are in lowercase (español, francais, portugues). Second menu: "Caratulas" is not the proper word, "Tamaño" (size) seems more appropriate. Second menu: The four "size" options are not translated. Fourth menu ("Ayuda"): First item "HP Prime Quick Start Guide" is not translated.
07-16-2013, 05:54 PM
Settings menu, Color theme: "Light" is translated as "Luz", instead of "Claro". (Typical problem with the many different meanings of "light"). Settings menu, Configuration appears as "Default Exam". This may stay in English, as it is rather specific and understandable. Settings menu, wireless network properties: Message "No adapter found" is not translated. Again, this is rather specific and understandable, so it may stay; a bad translation would be worse. CAS settings: The title bar cannot show all the text, abbreviation needed. The text is truncated both at left and right.
07-16-2013, 05:56 PM
After pressing "Menu" key, the third option (Messages) is not translated. And the second option is truncated. CAS should be used as an acronym, the expansion into "sistema algebráico computacional" (or so) is too long. Edited: 16 July 2013, 5:57 p.m.
07-16-2013, 06:41 PM
Hi Andrés, Open 2 emulators side by side, 1 in English, 1 in your language. and use a bloc like
screen title in english put all together in a text file and post a big message, you can also send me a mail or to Tim.
07-16-2013, 06:45 PM
'No implied multiplication...'
I hate implied multiplication. With implied multiplication. you get a different result for ab if a, b or ab variables exist or not. in CAS mode what is ab suppose to be ?
a
07-16-2013, 07:02 PM
No implicit multiplication in programs.
07-16-2013, 07:40 PM
It should be ab... As 2a should be 2*a, and 2a2 should be 2*a2. The way Mathematica and every piece of sensible software does it (even Matlab, that has no implied multiplication, has the rule that variables start with a letter.) It appears that this device, or at least the emulator version, has noncommutative implied multiplication, behold: CAS mode:
x(x/x)=x*(x/x)=x That's quite a feat... (Why do I have the feeling that some people will soon stand for it as "the right thing to do"?)
07-16-2013, 08:29 PM
File bug reports on that there. (provided the behavior is the same in the xcas client software, which in this case it is) http://xcas.e.ujf-grenoble.fr/XCAS/ TW
Edited: 16 July 2013, 9:49 p.m.
07-16-2013, 09:35 PM
Quote: Huh? limited time only? I see the website is in Eastern Greek (Chinese) but even after Google translate, I cannot click to download. thanks for any help, hpnut in Malaysia
07-16-2013, 09:59 PM
Try the following link near the top post.
07-16-2013, 10:00 PM
Quote: thanks, my friend from China. appreciate you joining our big happy international family of HP fans here :-) hpnut from Malaysia
07-16-2013, 10:40 PM
Thank you so much for the quick information, and then updating the file location when needed!
07-17-2013, 07:46 AM
Patrice, thanks for your comments, good ideas indeed.
07-17-2013, 11:43 AM
Loquitor interesting article source on PRIME, enjoy! http://www.hpgraphingcalc.org/uploads/9/4/3/8/9438994/prime_workshop_v1_3.pdf SlideRule
07-17-2013, 11:50 AM
Quote: If I understand, that means that a variable can be only one letter followed by numbers. I understand this in a mathematical point of view, but it's a heavy limitation for an ingeneer point of view if you need significiant names for variables.
07-17-2013, 01:51 PM
You can Define your own variables with D key, there is not limit that I know (apart from being reasonable), even non latin chars should be allowed.
In Home
07-17-2013, 04:16 PM
I never said that... in fact what I said above was: Quote: Hence you can define the variable (for the sake of the example, I'll write a too long one) nicevar123int Because you don't really need 123nicevarint If you needed "123nicevarint" you could always define "a123nicevarint" (come on... do we really need to write down these things?). Not having such names allows you to save days of your life you'd otherwise spend typing * every-single-time. It's called conventions, they're useful because you take advantage of them to avoid unnecessary work. On the other hand, parsers are hard. |
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