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Replacing a dinosaur  Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.  06212006 A few weeks ago I received a message from an individual in Venezuela. He asked if I could sell him a TI58, 58C or 59 with an Applied Statistics module. I responded that I had the calculators and the module in my collection but I did not have spares for sale. I also asked why he would want to acquire such old hardware. His response was that he wanted the capability of four programs in the module
ST06 Analysis of Variance Data and asked if I could send the listings for those programs to him. I have done that. I have no idea how he could use the listings since they take up way too much memory if they are not in the module.
Anyway, after some of the recent correspondence about dinosaurs it occurred to me that someone might tell me what more modern machine might provide the capability he wants. I know that the TI74 with its Statistics module and the TI95 with its Statistics module will provide nearly identical capability, but those machines are probably harder to find than the TI58/59. I don't know of a later model TI that would help. I do have spare HP10B's, a spare HP11C, and several spare HP12C's in my collection that I could offer to sell to him. Would one of those be appropriate? If not, is there a later model HP that would be?
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Les Wright  06212006 I would vote for a 48GX with the freely available Stat48Pro. Unfortunately, the library is too big for a 48G. I also have to admit I am one of those heretics who actually really likes my 49G+, which I am sure has some if not all of those statistical capabilities builtin.
Les
HP calc's with advanced statistical capabilities  Karl Schneider  06222006 Hi, Palmer 
Quote: None of these three HP models has these builtin capabilities, or the expandability to easily add them. However, the Stat Pac or Math/Stat Pac for the HP41 has RPN routines that calculate one and twoway ANOVA. If "Fdistribution" is the normal distribution with cumulative integral, the Pac has that as well, implemented as an RPN routine. Kind of clunky, but they'll work. The rare HP21S (Pioneer series) has builtin microcoded functions for the normal distribution, but no ANOVA. Best regards,
 KS Edited: 22 June 2006, 1:00 a.m.
Re: HP calc's with advanced statistical capabilities  Walter B  06222006 Quote:
The 21S also contains the Fdistribution. It is one of 4 "standard" distributions in this calc, i.e. Normal (or Gaussian), ChiSquare, T (or Student's), and F. As a matter of fact, this is the only reason why I added this calc to my small collection. Although it's not RPN ...
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Arnaud Amiel  06222006 This one will work pretty well in a 48G, although, I have to say I am a bit biaised.
Arnaud
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Ron Ross  06222006 I would vote for an Hp17B (of any flavor, the older line of better quality than the new ones on the shelf which DO HAVE 32K). With its built in stats, solver, and long variable names, you should be able to put together anything you need in stats and have a great pocket calculator. It is an algebraic calculator with the newer II and II+ having an RPN option (which I suspect he doesn't want or need). What happened to his STATS module? True, his Ti may have died, but the module could be recovered or did he toss out that peice of JUNK, only to find he should have scavaged the module? He might be able to make the newer Hp33s work, but its stats are not nearly as good as the Hp17's and with single varables, RAM availability isn't anywhere close to 32K. If he doesn't need any trig functions, my suggest is the Hp 17B series. Or he has to move into the graphics line.
The Ti83/84 would work well for him, the Ti83/84 is very easy to use and is programmable in BASIC (Ti version) so is easy to customize. Or a Casio or Sharp graphics. All have or can be made to be comparable through programming. I would probably avoid recommending an RPN only machine to him unless he is of an open mind and can show a commitment to learning all the other features of the Hp48/49 line or even an Hp41 series.
If I could suggest something for him w/o regard to availability, I would suggest an Hp27s! The Hp19B is also extremely similar in features and functions (and fairly easy to still get), but is a DAMN clamshell with the weak battery door (that takes 3 N cells!) and somewhat bulkier form factor and lacks algebraic precidence (business calcs often do, and that irks ME!)
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Dia C. Tran  06222006 Just in case he is interested, I have a couple of 58c's that I can part with. I am not much of a TI collector any way. I have no stat module however.
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Marcus von Cube, Germany  06222006 If he can't find what he exactly is looking for, I'd suggest to hunt for a Casio FX850P (or its cousin FX880P with more RAM). The machine has 116 scientific programs builtin, among them 47 statistical functions.
Marcus
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Les Wright  06222006 I was wrong! HP49G+ has a limited offering of inferential statistics, z and t test stuff, but no ANOVA. The UTPF functions gives the associated uppertail probability for input numerator and denominator degrees of freedom and the value of the test statistic. For ANOVA he would need someting extra, like one of the Stat48 libraries already mentioned.
Les
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Les Wright  06222006 Excellent! Seems to have the essential stuff from stat48 and stat48pro, and it can be used on an HP48G without totally dominating the memory. The HP48G is usually available for much less than the expandable GX. I think if money is limited the original poster may like a 48G with this excellent free library.
Les
Re: Replacing a dinosaur  Arnaud Amiel  06232006 It actually has exactly the same things as Stat48. At the time, I was thinking that Stat48 was slow so I rewrote it completely in sysRPL. I didn't have access to internet and it is only later that I found out that the author was doing the same job to release stat48pro. Since then, every time someone says "lets rewrite this program but faster", I recommend them to contact the author first.
Arnaud
