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Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Matthias Wehrli - 05-25-2006 Some of you may say „These are frustrated words of a hardcore collector”, but maybe there is something else, so please read my words in here: As you have noticed, a collector in Europe sold his rare Mountain EPROM programmer this week. What a opportunity to get a long searched item, I thought. Then I read the auction terms: “May be for sale at best offer. Please don't ask me for one price and make your best offer.” I know, I started some “auctions” like this in the past... below you will find the rest of this part...
I contacted the seller that these are no fair terms for an auction, as potential bidders do not have any indications for a fair deal. The seller can say “You are no longer the highest bidder, please set a new bid or the item will go to another bidder”, although the bidder still IS the highest bidder, just to increase the profit of the seller.
a) I´m not the best friend of Ebay as the prices are sometimes extremely high, but one thing I have to say: Ebay is a fair market place as all interested people can see what happens with the item. There is also the possibility to set an auction in “privacy mode” so that the bidders name is not shown. As I think I´m a hard, but fair collector I will show all my details to this so called “auction” of the Mountain programmer:
Mon, 22 May (17:36): My first offer to the seller: 500 Euro. The seller told me several times, that I´m the highest bidder. I knew there were two other interested people. I know them very well and I call them my friends even if we sometimes overbid the others. The seller told me after his dead-line that I was overbid and that I do not have any chance to set a new and higher bid. And this is exactly the point: Why do I not have the possibility to set a new and higher bid? (No, please do not try to compare this to the Ebay rules as the seller consciously did not use Ebay). So, this is a attempt to all interested people to free your mind and to tell me / us, what you think about this sort of deals. As I published my bid above I would be very interested in a reaction of the highest bidder (are you that polite to tell us your name?), as I think there was some sort of cheating in this deal. Above I said, that I did these sort of auctions in the past too. So, this is a promise to all of you: I WILL NO LONGER START THESE SORT OF DEALS - PRIVATE AUCTIONS WITH NO TRANSPARENCY TO THE BIDDERS. This are not only words of a frustrated bidder (yes, I´m very frustrated about a seller who was a good friend of mine as I thought), but for you all, this is a promise and you can remember to me if I ever would act against this words!
Yours,
PS: Sorry about my poor english, but there in Switzerland only primary teacher have good education to teach their students... No, just a silly joke to calm down myself.
I was one of the interested parties - Mike - 05-25-2006 I was interested initially, but when the auction type changed several times, I decided not to bid. I chose not to bid, because these types of auctions are subject to manipulation by a seller. First it was "Might Sell Best Offer", then it was "For Sale Best Offer", then it was "notifying bidders of current high", then it was a "time limit offer, private sale". The rules kept changing. I rarely get involved in these types of auctions and told the seller that I would not be bidding, for just this reason. It is his item, though, and he is free to sell it how he chooses. However, it appears that he was telling people the current high bid initially. But he told wrong current high bid, to everyone, at the time the actual high bid was known. That being the case, and the fact that a bid was supposedly in the week before, he should have given everyone a chance to know that correct high bid and make a counter offer. After all, only the winner was told the correct current high bid. Everyone else was told an incorrect high bid. Just my opinion on this.
Edited: 25 May 2006, 1:49 p.m.
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - tang - 05-26-2006 Although I was not interested, I searched the web for it. 2 hpmuseum-thread appeared, one showed someone offering the programmer to the current seller, in the other I understood the price for this programmer and EPROM-holder was $75. Looks like a good deal, but this is a very rare item, so I also understand the high prices.
Greetings to all.
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Mark, Mexico - 05-29-2006 I was also interested. I offered $1400. Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Matthias Wehrli - 05-29-2006 1. I´ know the seller very well as he was a member of my first meeting here in Switzerland.
Matthias
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Mark, Mexico - 05-29-2006
It´s more a collectors item than a users item. Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Meindert Kuipers - 05-30-2006 The MLDL2000 can be configured in such a way that any ROM image can be addressed at any page and any bank, there are really no limits.
Meindert
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Raymond Del Tondo - 05-30-2006 Hi,
the MBK ProfiSET, which consists of 8K ROM OS,
Raymond
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Mark, Mexico - 05-30-2006 Great !!! Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Meindert Kuipers - 05-30-2006 Mark, Please send me an email with your contact details so I can put you on the waiting list. All details of the MLDL2000 (technical and pricing) can be found at www.kuipers.to/hp41. The issue is that there is currently a waiting list for the remaining MLDL2000 units. These are units that failed initial testing and are now under repair. If these are sold out or I cannot repair them anymore then then there are no more units available, unless there is enough interest to justify a new production run. I would need about 25 units for a economical production run (unless you are willing to pay for all costs). Also, for a potential new production run, there will be no cardreader shells available, so you would have to organize your own housing. Regards,
Meindert
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Matthias Wehrli - 05-30-2006 Hi Mark If Meindert accepts this I can trade my second MLDL2000 plus some money for the EPROM programmer.
Matthias
Re: Mountain EPROM programmer deal - Meindert Kuipers - 05-30-2006 Matthias, It is your MLDL2000, so it is really up to you to decide if it is a good deal or not ;)
Meindert
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