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HP's new CEO - Jim Creybohm - 03-29-2005 Might be a good time to buy HP stock. They just announced their new CEO. Mark Hurd, from NCR. So, the question is; how will he treat the calculator line? Just another marketting drone? An engineering type? http://businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2005/tc20050328_3476_tc024.htm Since I am a reader (normally a lurker) I am hopeful that we will see some ingenuity in the calculator division. Anyone have opinions or ideas?
Re: HP's new CEO - Dia C. Tran - 03-30-2005 May be HP calculators will have the Tax+ and Tax- functions?
Re: HP's new CEO - Katie - 03-30-2005 He seems like a realist and I don't think that we can expect much innovation from him given this quote from his recent book: Quote: Re: HP's new CEO - Dia C. Tran - 03-30-2005 Hmm! That's a pretty bad attitude. What he meant in term of calculators we are the exception who can see the difference between an HP, a TI or Casio.
Re: HP's new CEO - Wayne Brown - 03-30-2005 Quote:
Everything I've heard or read about him has been in reference to his accomplishments in the area of stock prices or other financial stuff -- nothing about any love of technology or engineering for its own sake. So, my guess would be "marketing drone."
Re: HP's new CEO - james summers - 03-30-2005 Interesting quote, Katie, and sadly I would agree that if that's his viewpoint there isn't much hope.
However, judging by eBay prices, including what I've paid to acquire 20 to 30 year old HPs for daily use, there are quite a few people who can discern such nuances!!
Re: HP's new CEO - giancarlo - 03-30-2005 Mmmmmmh..... Re: HP's new CEO - V-PN - 03-30-2005 The correct terms is "markedroid"
Re: HP's new CEO - Larry Corrado - 03-30-2005 Just a small comment about a comment in the previous post: "However, judging by eBay prices, including what I've paid to acquire 20 to 30 year old HPs for daily use, there are quite a few people who can discern such nuances!!" First, we should keep in mind that it only takes two people to drive up the price of any given sale on ebay. Sure, there are a few hundred (?) people on this forum who love HP calculators, and probably a similar number who buy them on ebay, but even if they would all buy whatever new HP model came out, they would not comprise a decent-size market for the new machine. I'm not a business person, but I would guess that HP (or any other company) would have to sell many tens of thousands (or maybe a few hundred thousand) units to reap a decent profit from a new machine. Just my thoughts...
Larry
Re: HP's new CEO - Namir - 03-31-2005 Larry, You hit it on the nail! The calculator market today brings small revenues to HP, compared to PCs, printers and cameras. For HP to recapture its old enthusiasm for new calculators (and kick TI's butt like it used to) people (and I am talking about common folks) have to go wild about buying HP calculators! In other words, H calculator sales must be like wild fires for the calculator division to regain its old prominant place. This is the feeling I got from listening to HP folks at the HHC2004 in San Jose. That meeting was akin to running into an old veteran actor or actorss who gave a talk about the good old days when he/she was hot in the acting business.
Namir
Re: HP's new CEO - giancarlo - 03-31-2005 VPN, so you got to know them well, didn't you...? :-))) Re: HP's new CEO - V-PN - 03-31-2005 % profit of the calcs are great Re: HP's new CEO - bill platt - 03-31-2005 How about, "Financial Finegler"
Re: HP's new CEO - Gene - 03-31-2005 Hey...I resemble that remark. :-)
Gene (finance guy)
Re: HP's new CEO - bill platt - 03-31-2005 Hi Gene! Yes, you resemble the financial part, but more importantly, are you a *finegler* ;-) Best regards, Bill
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Re: HP's new CEO - Raymond Del Tondo - 03-31-2005 Regarding quality of the current models,
Raymond
Re: HP's new CEO - V-PN - 03-31-2005 I'm not sure... Biting the hand you want to feed you - Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. - 04-02-2005 Let us suppose that the new CEO reads this series of messages. Why would he want to have anything to do with a customer base made up of individuals who bite the hand they hope will feed them?
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Ed Look - 04-02-2005 Kudos to you sir! You have brought out a valid moral point. Unfortunately, humanity appears to be a kvetcher by nature.
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. - 04-03-2005 Matthew 7:7 says "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
I would add "Bitch and whine and you will be avoided like the plague."
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Wayne Brown - 04-03-2005 It depends on his viewpoint. If all he cares about is how much money his customer base brings in, then he'll ignore us no matter what we say; there aren't enough of us to make any real difference in the bottom line. If he cares less about money than about impressing scientists and engineers who use the products -- if he's the kind of person who says, "Who cares about profits, as long as the techies respect and admire us" -- the kind of person that I would love to see running HP -- then he'll pay attention and try to act in such a way as to change our perceptions.
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - . - 04-03-2005 "Who cares about profits, as long as the techies respect and admire us" I'm not sure thats a great attitude for a CEO to have. His job is to help make profits. The main purpose of a company is to profit. I don't endorse the 'profit at all costs' mentality, but all decisions must take economics strongly into consideration.
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Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Ed Look - 04-03-2005 Yeah, they gotta eat...
... albeit too well at times...
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Ed Look - 04-03-2005 LOL!
Great line. I hope someday to hear it on Sunday from the pulpit! It is, alas, all too true.
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Garth Wilson - 04-04-2005 I don't know the story behind HP and Agilent splitting up, but I expect there was some disagreement about where the potential for continued profit lies, with HP siding with the consumer market and Agilent siding with the scientist/engineer market. Maybe we should be looking to Agilent instead of HP to pick up again the good thing HP had going in the 80's.
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - bill platt - 04-04-2005 Hi Palmer, I understand the idea that one should be nice to your feed-master if one is to eat, yet there are very important exceptions to this rule. 1. When you the hand that is feeding you is actually poisoning you. 2. When the hand that feeds you is also your slave-master. In either case, it is best to bite and move on--which is my opinion of the HP we are now dealing with. Yes, it is nice that there is a 33s, but I am much more excited about openRPN. For HP, the calulators are a proud, if quaint, piece of history. That they stay in the market at all is quite remarkable--I think it must be that there are some people--like Fred Valdez--still have real interest--and have been able to turn enough of a profit--at low overhead--to keep the division in action. THis is a point we do not often hear discussed in this forum--that there are strong allies at HP to this day. To that extent, we should support them. But as far as CEO's go, I think cynicism is the only appropriate reaction today. They are, in my opinion, worth nothing but dirt until they have actually proven themselves in the business. (After Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, Anderson.....what else is an honest person to do?!). Regards,
Bill
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Wayne Brown - 04-04-2005 Quote:
That's fine for an ordinary company, but as I 've said before, I don't consider Hewlett-Packard an ordinary company, but something unique -- different from any other company that ever was or ever will be. I see it primarily as a living memorial to Bill & Dave, and secondarily as a sort of playground for the engineers in the HP R&D labs, and everything else (especially profits) comes third. That's why I think they should not have spun off the test & measurements division, and why they should keep making their traditional lines of test equiment, calculators and HP3000 minicomputers, even if those products lose money and their divisions have to be subsidized with profits from the other divisions (like the one that makes those expensive inkjet and laser toner cartridges). As long as they make enough money to keep the doors open, that's good enough.
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - James M. Prange (Michigan) - 04-04-2005 Quote:I expect that most of the current owners (stockholders) see profit as the primary (or only) reason for the existence of HP. Unfortunately, most stockholders and directors seem to take a very short-term view; never mind what shape the corporation will be in five, ten, or twenty years from now; what will the next quarter's, or maybe next year's, situation be?
CEOs and other top management types tend to move on to a "new
We wish that Bill & Dave, or someone much like them, were still in
As for the engineers, does their playing around produce something
When a company announces a big layoff, I personally see that as a
Yes, I think that spinning off Agilent was ultimately bad for all
I wish that HP would sell the calculator division to Agilent. I
As for the new CEO, I know very little about him. I gather that
Regards, Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. - 04-04-2005 You write "In either case, it is best to bite and move on--..." That can be a good idea, but only if one has a place to move on to. Where might that be?
Re: Biting the hand you want to feed you - bill platt - 04-05-2005 Hi Palmer,
1. OpenRPN I am not afraid of losing HP anymore. We already did, when the y originally cancelled the 32sii with no replacement. As a result, the 32sii went up to 150 bucks--no higher--and there were plenty of them. Someone will fill in the void. Also, RPN itself is not the end-all be-all. So, I can get along without it. Regards,
Bill
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