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HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Tim Wessman - 06-03-2004

http://www.hpcalc.org/qonos.php

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Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Raymond Del Tondo - 06-03-2004

Wow, this thing looks really interesting!

Especially the position and size of the ENTER key and the (hopefully) reliable keyboard could make this machine a must-have for me;-)

Raymond


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Johnny Bjoern Rasmussen - 06-03-2004

My reaction in two words: Wo-ow!

Hope it becomes a reality!


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - J-F Garnier - 06-03-2004

Sounds too good to be true...

Question: Does Qonos have the right to include HP49 and TI89 ROM into the emulators? Or is it just *simulation*?

The mouse pointer is strange, too.

J-F


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Kinpo contract - Renato (Brasil) - 06-03-2004

At http://www.hydrix.com/pages/body/about/history_tiles.jsp
they say:

March 2003
* start of Kinpo contract to produce new generation of graphical calculators


I guess they are not "producing" calculators for Kinpo , but just "designing".

Interesting , isn´t it ?

renato
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Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) - 06-03-2004

Here we go again... and for God's sake: someone take all hammers out of the hands of those HP-staff guys, willyah?

>8^D

Luiz (Brazil)


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - V-PN - 06-03-2004

Question: 
Does Qonos have the right to include HP49 and TI89 ROM into the emulators?
Or is it just *simulation*?

An educated guess:
*CAS simulation by Bernard Parisse's Xiac*
If my guess is correct,
you can actually train to use Qonos CAS
by downloading a Win32 CAS
(look web sites at www.hpcalc.org)
{VPN}




Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Wayne Brown - 06-03-2004

I think the "possible designs" are ugly. But it doesn't really matter to me, as I don't anticipate buying one anyway; too many "bells and whistles" for my tastes, though I might be a little interested if not for the objectionable shape.


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Tim Wessman - 06-03-2004

Notice it has the large ENTER above, and a small one below. . . I guess that will satisfy everyone. . . =)


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Matt Kernal - 06-03-2004

Can't figure out why anyone would need a Space key as big as Texas. Please enlighten me.

Also, you'd better hold on to it tight... looks pretty top-heavy with the keyboard open, don'it? Not to mention (how much worse) with the Expansion Skid attached.

Where can I buy one?!?

Matt

p.s. I know "Maths" is a common European/Australian expression for Mathematics, but feel free to save a byte (and some ink) on the american model by shortening "MathsExplorer" down to "MathExplorer", if for no other reason than just plain easier pronunciation. It just flows smoother off the tongue. I guess this would be a comment for JYA's survey, huh?

Oh, BTW, thanks to the immediacy of the E-mail culture, it's typical for americans (sadly, these days) to shorten words down to the least possible number of words/letters that still conveys a phrase or meaning, like BTW (By The Way) or MathExplorer (Mathematics Explorer) above :-).


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Namir - 06-03-2004

Well at last something more on the reality side! Sounds like someone is really creating a new machine instead of just wishing to the Calculator Gennie it comes true! I'll buy one or two!!!

:-)

Namir


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Steve S - 06-03-2004

Sadly, count me among those that don't particularly like this design. Having used handheld analytical instruments, I've got a just a little experience with fold-down keyboards. Holding the device near its center-of-mass and pressing keys near the lower edge of the fold-down leads to a very "spongy" feeling regardless of how crisp the key is; you simply cant hold the device rigidly.

I, for one, hope that the final design isn't along these lines, or (unlikely, I know) offers an alternate form factor.

"...good industrial design is very, very hard...!"


RE: HPcalc's Update - Eddie Shore - 06-03-2004

That is nice! This could be on my wish list: a caclualtor that combines spreadsheet and professional software.




Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - V-PN - 06-03-2004

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Well - they should have hired you (or me :)
My favourite folding design is a fold-up display:
Make the display thin and light and fold it up from the base unit.
The base has the batteries, the keyboard, etc..

Maybe it's not too late to change the design.
Maybe Hydrix people are listening...
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RE: HPcalc's Update - V-PN - 06-03-2004

That is nice! This could be on my wish list: a caclualtor that combines spreadsheet and professional software.

You mean the HP-75C with VisiCalc ROM?
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Re: RE: HPcalc's Update - Ángel Martin - 06-04-2004

That was a low punch! (but I laughed just the same).


Re: RE: HPcalc's Update - Rafi - 06-04-2004

All I ask is that the ir transmitter not be crippled. I consider the ability to use the device as a remote control a necessity.


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Steve Borowsky - 06-04-2004

I would definitely consider buying but I find the shape objectionable too. I wish the industrial designers would consider that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Does everything made today have to look like it just stepped out of a Saturday morning cartoon?


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Cameron - 06-04-2004

LOL

"We bought that expensive CAD package so I suppose we'd better use it."

Time passes...

"Hey! Check out what I can do with these splines..."

Cameron

xyzzy


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Garth Wilson - 06-04-2004

Steve said,

> I would definitely consider buying but I find the shape objectionable too. I wish the industrial designers would consider that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Does everything made today have to look like it just stepped out of a Saturday morning cartoon?


Well put, Steve!! These designers go crazy with their 3-D CAD, and I for one don't like it one bit.


Ugly device in a poor design - Marx Pio - 06-04-2004

IMHO. I think that it looks like the old(really old) PT550 cel phone from motorola. ;).The fold keyboard is a bad choice it makes this thing too long when open and you have to be very carefully when handling it. They should include a mini trackball or mini joystick(like the Etrex Vista GPS) instead the four arrows for direction. The LCD should be designed in order to be positioned at the desired angle for best viewing. I can design a better device in fews sketchs. If they want, I'll do it for free... ;)

Pio


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - OpenRPN - 06-05-2004

Indeed, it seems most industrial designers these days can't tell the difference between a calculating machine and a cell phone.


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Ángel Martin - 06-05-2004

That's because for them there is *no* difference, just another assignment to excercise their skills. Problem is people in charge of the whole project let them get overboard (directionless?)

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Re: Ugly device in a poor design - Jean-Yves Avenard - 06-06-2004

Don't get fooled with the scale.
Opened the device is less long than a 49G!

Also the rendering is with a 3.5" screen, final product is using a 3" screen, it is not wider around the screen area.

I'm sorry if it's technically quite difficult to put so much features and a big screen in something that has to look different than a HP15C


Re: Ugly device in a poor design - Wayne Brown - 06-06-2004

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Also the rendering is with a 3.5" screen, final product is using a 3" screen, it is not wider around the screen area.

Do you mean that it has a rectangular form factor, with straight sides and no bulges or curves around the screen? That would be a considerable improvement.


Re: Ugly device in a poor design - Jean-Yves Avenard - 06-06-2004

With a 3" screen then yes.

There's very little you can do to fit a 3.5" screen except if you want a keyboard overly large that doesn't fit comfortably in the hand... So you may find it ugly but if you have a better solution, please feel free to submit it!


Re: Ugly device in a poor design - Wayne Brown - 06-06-2004

In that case, I'm glad you switched to a 3" screen. Perhaps I'll be interested in this device after all...


Pretty Device with a Good Design - V-PN - 06-06-2004

Jean-Yves Avenard aka Gherkin wrote:
" if you have a better solution, please feel free to submit it!"

I guess it's too late to persuade you to change the design at this point.
If do, then I suggest the following for the next generation of Hydrix calculatrice:
1) Put a second row of function keys below the LCD and a second menu line in the display.
This will help if/when you deside to do a vertical model similar to the HP-200LX,
because you can then easily have F1...F12
and that is needed with many terminal programs, etc.
2) Use a flip-up LCD - light and thin - over the keyboard
That design would make the device even smaller and
would allow many other things to be done easier
(sled, batteries, SDIO card location, etc.)
It would be also quite easy to use a color screen later on and
any repairs to the LCD would be much easier.
3) SOFTWARE:
The key assignment routine should use strings for key locations
so that if you will have a different layout later
the programs will still function without a rewrite.
KEY$ or KEYSTRING
=> "A"..."Z", "SPACE", "ENTER", "0"..."9",
The shift keys and cursor keys might be as follows:
"ALPHA", "LS", "RS", "ON" and "UP", "DOWN", LEFT", "RIGHT"
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Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Tom (UK) - 06-08-2004

I would be more interested if it had an RPN calculator (67/15/42 etc) rather than an RPL (48/49) version.

For a neat case design look no further than the Psion 3/5 series of PDAs - not sure if it would work in the 'vertical' or handheld format.

I guess the folding keyboard is so the display can be seen at all times (with a few keys operable) so alarms / quick functions can be done without opening the case. If the display folded over, the device would have to be opened to see what was causing an alarm etc.

Also price is listed as >$350. This would be OK if the 'correct' conversion to Euros / UK Pounds was done, ie from about 300 Euros or 200 UK Pounds. I don't feel like buying any product if the conversion looks poor. Just look at books (VAT free in the UK) - quite often the Dollar and Pound price is the same!


Re: HPcalc.org's intersting Update - Joe Edwards - 06-09-2004

Would that be North Americans or South Americans? Or citizens of the U.S.A.?

Your comment isn't exactly correct. We still use BIG words here in Texas. :)

Joe