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[OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  BruceH  11222013 From email from Wolfram:
Quote: Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Eelco Rouw  11222013 Wow, I'm getting more amazed every day by this platform. At the beginning I was quite sceptical about the moderation of the community (many people have been banned due to feature trolling), but they really seem to have taken off. I heard the production of the raspberry pi has passed the two million mark. I will certainly try to install mathematica! Kind regards,
Eelco
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Nick_S  11222013 Note that it is only free for noncommercial use, which looks rather like vendor lockin to me.
Nick
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 You beat me to it! Was trying to install it this morning, but my SD card is too small. Setting up a virtual Raspberry Pi now in emulation...
Regardless... THIS IS HUGE. Expect Mathematica 10 on a tablet very soon. It's bring your own device time!
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 Only in the year 2013 can we hear: "Ho hum... the most advanced computational platform in the known universe is free if I push a few buttons from my chair... oh, but wait, it's vendor lockin. No thanks Mr. Wolfram"
To the 99% of the world's population that cannot afford this... it's a gift. :)
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Erwin Ried  11222013 Quote:
Isn't mathematica already in tablets? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wolfram.android.alpha&hl=en
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Nick_S  11222013 I speak as one who works with colleagues trained to carry out statistics as students in the ubiquitous SPSS package who now face bills of 12 thousand euros per licence in the work environment under IBM's new licensing scheme. Nick
Edited: 22 Nov 2013, 12:23 p.m.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 Wolfram Alpha is just the tip of the iceberg. Mathematica is a huge environment. It's been under constant development for 25 years.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 Ouch ! I don't know anything about SPSS... but I assume that type of software is supposed to pay for itself with results? Looks like a oneyear "Grad Pack" license only costs students $99.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  CR Haeger  11222013 Quote:
Looks like a good software deal. What does the hardware + required peripherals + 600MB+ SD card cost?
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 The Pi is $35. You'll need a monitor capable of HDMI input, a usb keyboard and mouse, and a 4Gb SD card (and an Ethernet cable). And a way to power the Pi via microusb 5V. I don't know if Wolfram has locked it down to Raspberry Pi only... but there are certainly much faster arm platforms available... I have full instructions on how to do all of this for free, via QEmu emulation in Ubuntu 13.10; but emulation is very, very slow. Just send an email. Bonus: Turn you raspberry pi into a touchscreen mobile device... like the DukePAD and run Mathematica: https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/DukePad Not yet costeffective... but give it two years and something equivalent will be for sale in the gas station checkout line for 20 bucks.
This time next year you'll probably see Mathematica 10 for sale in the Google Apps Store.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Thomas Klemm  11222013 Depends a little on what you already have. But Pi + SDCard + USBcable will be about $50. I can connect to my Pi using ssh and run wolfram and get: pi@raspberrypi ~ $ wolframThis is rather fast. Or then I can start mathematica which will pop up a screen. That's a little slow but you can draw graphs and stuff. But I must admit I'm not that familiar with both.
Cheers Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 Press "==" aka two equal signs and you can enter Wolfram Alpah queries...
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  dietmar13  11222013 Quote: there is a free solution, which does ALL what SPSS can and infinite more (i.e. much prettier figures !)... R
therefore NOBODY has to pay a cent for statistics software...
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Nick_S  11222013 I use R extensively myself, but the issue here is the hidden cost in time and expense of retraining a team who are heavy users of an existing package (the vendor lock in I spoke of) which suddenly goes through the roof in licensing costs. I have noticed more and more university departments switching to STATA which offers a powerful alternative to SPSS and includes a graphical user interface to lower the entry barrier. At least the full licences are reasonably priced.
Nick Edited: 22 Nov 2013, 4:00 p.m.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Paul Dale  11222013 It will be interesting to see the impact this has on hand held calculators. Mathematica pretty much does everything any calculator does and in most cases does it far better. It is definitely more feature rich than any calculator. If I were developing a new calculator from scratch, I'd seriously consider using Mathematica for the internals and wrapping a device specific interface over the top. This would mean a more capable CPU and some extra memory but both of these are cheap these days. The Wolfram Language would likely be the implementation language of choice too.  Pauli
Edited: 22 Nov 2013, 9:18 p.m. after one or more responses were posted
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Chris Pem10  11222013 I can say, absolutely 100% without any reservation, that if Mathematica were available on a handheld device (of my choice), I'd never buy another calculator again. I'd eBay my entire collection immediately before prices fell. Modern calcs are like abacuses in comparison... even the Prime, TI nSpire, etc.
"Google glass: What's the derivative of sin(x) times cos(x)?" Edited: 22 Nov 2013, 9:27 p.m.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Walter B  11222013 Quote:Watch it! Then Google (et al.) also knows what you're calculating, and what you did calculate before and ... :( Seems I'd prefer standalone calculators still.
d:/
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Paul Dale  11222013 And you've hit a bit of a problem right away. Is the answer to What's the derivative of sin x times cos x ? cos(x cos(x)) (cos(x)x sin(x)) or cos(2 x)? Natural language is horrible as an input method for mathematics.  Pauli
Edited: 22 Nov 2013, 10:07 p.m.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Gerson W. Barbosa  11222013 Quote: That's really a concern, but I doubt anyone, even NSA, is interested in what I submit to WA :)
Re: Communicating mathematics in natural language  Peter Murphy (Livermore)  11232013 In 1983, a blind mathematician published a monograph on the use of spoken English to communicate mathematics: http://web.efzg.hr/dok/MAT/vkojic/Larrys_speakeasy.pdf A related work is here: http://s22318.tsbvi.edu/mathproject/appBsec1.asp
If speaking mathematics to your handheld device becomes possible, it may be that something like this will work.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  eri  11232013 Last week I got to play with a Dell Venue 8 Pro. Quad core atom, 7.5+ hours battery life. Runs real windows 8.1 so full windows x64 compat. My friend had installed visual studio and was doing a build on it. Amazing and fits in my large coat pocket. First windows 8 device that I want.
I was eligible for a deal and was able to order one for $200. Install mathematica and your dream is reality.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Walter B  11232013 You may be right. Most people  even most forumers  use their calculators mainly for real life calculations, however. And if such a cloudy device is going to replace calculators ...
d:/
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Nick_S  11232013 Pauli wrote: Quote:The HP 28S derived calculator application for the iPhone called ND1 does this for its symbolic calculations by calling Wolfram Alpha: "Solving, calculus: not directly supported; for differentiation, integrals, taylor series, solving, variable isolation, the app goes out to WolframAlpha.com and displays results in integrated webbrowser." http://naivedesign.com/ND1/Specs.html
Nick Edited: 23 Nov 2013, 9:45 a.m.
Re: Communicating mathematics in natural language  Thomas Klemm  11232013 Coding by voice is already a thing: Shouldn't be that difficult to do it with mathematica.
Cheers Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Thomas Klemm  11232013 Some might disagree:
Quote:  Chuck Moore, Color Forth
Cheers Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Thomas Klemm  11232013 That's nice to know. But slow compared to using a browser directly.
Thanks Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Thomas Klemm  11232013 From the Handbook for Spoken Mathematics linked above:
Quote:
Wolfram Language (Raspberry Pi Pilot Release)
Cheers
Re: Communicating mathematics in natural language  Gerson W. Barbosa  11232013 Nice! This gag ("Computer! Computer?") wouldn't have worked if Star Trek IV had been shot just a few years later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5e1vfaST2I Cheers,
Gerson.
Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Thomas Radtke  11232013 Quote:So that the employer can be sure everyone is (mis)using their own software licences? Re: Communicating mathematics in natural language  Thomas Klemm  11232013 Best comment: Quote: Kittichan 4 years ago
Cheers Re: [OT] Mathematica free for Raspberry PI  Howard Owen  11232013 I paid $77.95 + tax for this bundle at amazon. It comes with WiFi and HDMI cable, plus some breadboarding gear including a GPIO breakout adapter.
Vendor lock in? Absolutely. I'm doing this as a hobbyist so pfffft.
Re: Communicating mathematics in natural language  Gerson W. Barbosa  11262013
Quote: In English, courtesy of Google Translate ("Life is too short to learn German", sorry! :) You can see  if you look closely  that Scotty is missing part of the right middle finger. This wouldn't have stopped him from typing that fast, but the lack of typing skills when they had become unnecessary in the future would. That's a weak point in the scene. James Doohan really missed part of his right middle finger, according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Doohan Cheers, Gerson.
