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12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Frank Boehm (Germany) - 11-20-2012

nur am 20.11.:

Weltderschnaeppchen

Sorry, might be of interest for geman users only :)


Re: 12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - hpnut - 11-20-2012

with Google translate, nearly every major language can be rendered into English but sometimes with hilarious or quirky translations :-)


Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

Hi;

if you allow me to ask a question, is it 'gratis' used in Deutsch as it is in Dutch, meaning 'for free'? I knew 'kostenlos' as you wrote, but the add uses 'gratis'. I am curious about this because this is exactly the same word used in Portuguese and it means 'for free' as well, and when I was studying Dutch some many years ago - sadly I had to pause so far - this word and 'pagina' called my attention.

Cheers.

Luiz (Brazil)

Edited: 20 Nov 2012, 8:25 a.m.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Frank Boehm (Germany) - 11-20-2012

Yes, "gratis" is "free" (as in "beer")

There are a couple of synonymous words in German: "gratis", "frei", "kostenlos", "umsonst". And maybe a couple more derivates not commonly used like "kostenfrei" (which is word more commonly used in legal contracts).


Btw. I assume you could just create an Amazon.de account and grab that App for free.

Edited: 20 Nov 2012, 8:49 a.m.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) - 11-20-2012

Given my past record here (and birthplace) ;-) I shall remember you that gratis is actually latin, as in "gratis et amore Dei".

And yes, its meaning, nowadays, is "for free".

Cheers,
Massimo

Edited: 20 Nov 2012, 8:58 a.m.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

Ciao, Massimo.

Thanks for adding this remind. In fact I was aware of that, I should have added that it is the same word used in Portuguese although it is not an original Portuguese word. As a matter of fact, I was told by a German teacher that Portuguese was one of the last languages/tongues consolidated in Europe, hence the influence of so many others. According to wikipedia:

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Muito poucas palavras em português podem ter sua origem rastreada até os habitantes pré-romanos de Portugal. (...) Atualmente, a língua portuguesa ostenta em seu vocabulário termos provenientes de diferentes idiomas como o provençal, o holandês, o hebraico, o persa, o quíchua, o chinês, o turco, o japonês, o alemão e o russo, além de idiomas bem mais próximos, como o inglês, o francês, o espanhol e o italiano. Também houve influência de algumas línguas africanas
"Very few Portuguese words can be traced back to the pre-Roman inhabitants of Portugal. (...) Currently, Portuguese boasts in his vocabulary terms from different languages such as Provençal, Dutch, Hebrew, Persian, Quechua, Chinese, Turkish, Japanese, German and Russian, and languages much closer such as English, French, Spanish and Italian. There has also been some influence from African languages"

Sorry for bringing this O.T. subject again, but I must confess I love language studies... and the more I can add, the more I want!

Thanks again, Massimo!

Cheers.

Luiz (Brazil)


Edited: 20 Nov 2012, 11:09 a.m.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Walter B - 11-20-2012

Quote:
Sorry for bringing this O.T. subject again, but I must confess I love language studies... and the more I can add, the more I want!

Não esculpe, Luiz - eu também :-) (me too)

BTW, there seems to be an interesting correlation between the word for 'tea' in different languages and the way these peoples got in contact with it. While Portuguese 'cha' sounds quite like Chinese, and Russian as well as Indian 'tchai' sounds at least similar, the other peoples got the boxes from anybody else and just saw an ideograph painted on them looking like a 'T'.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Gerson W. Barbosa - 11-20-2012

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While Portuguese 'cha' sounds quite like Chinese, and Russian as well as Indian 'tchai' sounds at least similar, the other peoples got the boxes from anybody else and just saw an ideograph painted on them looking like a 'T'.

I like this kind of language trivia, especially the ones I am not aware of. Thanks for posting!

http://translate.google.com.br/?hl=pt-BR&tab=wT#pt/zh-TW/ch%C3%A1




Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

Ditto!


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Frank Boehm (Germany) - 11-20-2012

Interesting, makes absolutely sense.

In fact, it's called "Tee" in Germany - just as you pronounce the letter "T".


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

The German "Tee" also matches the sound of the letter "T" in Portuguese.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Kiyoshi Akima - 11-20-2012

Reminds me of a story a linguistics prof told about his own undergraduate days in Arizona. At a school picnic there were members of two local Native American tribes who traditionally considered each other bitter enemies. They got to swapping their names for things and discovered that their words for "sugar" were identical in what otherwise were unrelated languages. They started searching for other common words, thinking perhaps that they hadn't always been enemies.

Then somebody pointed out that their word for "sugar" was identical to the Spanish word.


BTW, the Japanese word for "tea" is "cha".


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Gerson W. Barbosa - 11-20-2012

I used to think the Japanese word arigato, meaning "thanks", was an echo of the Portuguese word obrigado (despite not being formally invited, the Portuguese paid a few visits to Japan in the XV century, before eventually venturing here). However, according to what I read somewhere else, the resemblance is just a coincidence.

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BTW, the Japanese word for "tea" is "cha".

Judging by the pronunciations of the equivalent word in most of the languages available in Google Translator, I would say they are all variations of a single original ancient word.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

About two months ago we had a group of students from Buffalo visiting our university, and one of them - Bahia Ramadan - was Arabian. She told me that amongst some other words, 'açucar' and 'batata' (Portuguese for sugar and potato) match pronunciation and meaning in her native village.

Wow! This is awesome reading, folks!

Thank you all!

Edited: 20 Nov 2012, 9:47 p.m.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) - 11-20-2012

Hi, countrymate.

This is the kind of reasoning that led to the former linguistic studies, one of them originating the well known Indo-European Languages. I also found this article very interesting.

BTW, Gerson, I had to delay a little bit our calculator arrangement... But it will be ready before Xmas!


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Walter B - 11-21-2012

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... one of them - Bahia Ramadan - was Arabian. She told me that amongst some other words, 'açucar' and 'batata' (Portuguese for sugar and potato) match pronunciation and meaning in her native village.

Quite logical - the word 'açucar' actually is of Arabian origin (like 'sugar'). There are more words like this in Spanish and Portuguese - remember large parts of the Iberian peninsula were Arabian for some centuries until end of the 15th century. It wasn't their worst era - look at the Alhambra of Granada, for example.

The 'batata' must have traveled vice versa.


Re: Deutsch/dutch question (12C App kostenlos bei Amazon.de / Android - Gerson W. Barbosa - 11-21-2012

Olá Luiz,

I never get tired reading about this subject. It's interesting how languages begin complicated and become simplified over time. I wonder when the infamous "nois pega o peixe" ("we catches the fish") will become standard :-)

No need to hurry about the HP-41LX. You are doing me quite a big favor assembling it for me. Thanks again!

Cheers,

Gerson.

Edited: 21 Nov 2012, 4:16 p.m.