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new HP15c released in Japan - NateB - 07-17-2011 Here, and on the second page, here
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Lyuka - 07-17-2011
HP 15C limited edition (NW250AA)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-17-2011 Hello Lyuka, Do you have information about price? I haven't found any. Thanks!
Gerson.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Lyuka - 07-17-2011 Hi, Gerson
No other information is available so far.
Lyuka
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-17-2011 I'd be most interested in the back side ;-)
Walter
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-17-2011 Because of the larger battery compartment cover? Hopefully the essential information will be there. Let's hope the number on the display has been keyed in or it is just the result of a keystroke sequence like [g] [pi] [g] [HYP-1] [SIN] [f] [HYP] [SIN] ...
Gerson.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - marais - 07-17-2011 The display seems to have less contrast than the original. But I'll buy 3 anyway.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - db (martinez, ca.) - 07-17-2011 A constantly improving WP-34S and a new 15C both available now. Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-17-2011 Thank you :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Jake Schwartz - 07-17-2011 Has anybody noticed the display? When I press PI on my 15C, I get "3.141592654", rather than the last digit being "3". Perhaps the non-math person setting up that display keyed it in manually and didn't know where PI was located on the keyboard. This has me really worried about the smarts of the people in charge.
Jake
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Michael de Estrada - 07-17-2011 Try what Gerson said.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-17-2011 Perhaps he/she knows pi by heart to more digits than the display can hold and just did not want to round it up. The Japanese are great memorizers, as we know. I never went beyond the rounded 12 digits, but recently I have gone a little further: 3.1415926535897932 :-)
Gerson.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Michael de Estrada - 07-17-2011 I've got better things to do than memorize pi to 16 digits. Like remember the names of all my relatives. :P
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) - 07-17-2011
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Right, not to mention 41-CL... ;) Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-17-2011 Actually, I didn't try to. It's just that they appeared constantly in a problem I was working on that I couldn't help but memorizing them, till when I don't know. There was a time I knew about 30 phone numbers by heart, now I am glad I still know my own ones :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - robertoataulfo - 07-17-2011 Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-17-2011 If it is as good as that of the new 12C, then it's ok. I hope to buy two of them. Looks like HP will have to make another batch :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Peter Murphy (Livermore) - 07-17-2011 1. It's in Japanese, I think. 2. It says (copyright) YHP 1983.
Probably not what we're hoping for.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Paul Dale - 07-17-2011 I want....
- Pauli
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Patrice - 07-17-2011 Looks like the manual is just a scan of the 1986 one. Look at the batteries at the end.
Patrice
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Jim Yohe - 07-17-2011 Pages 260-263
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Gene Wright - 07-17-2011 Oh, I would assume someone who does not know the value of PI keyed it in from a list and did not properly round to 3.141592654.
Doh!
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - db (martinez, ca.) - 07-17-2011 How did i forget the 41cl? Sorry Monte!
When is the final version coming out? I have a 41 with a dead PCB waiting.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-18-2011 I want too, at HP 30B price :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Alejandro Paz (Germany) - 07-18-2011 Any sightings on these shores yet ? I also want... 2 :)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ángel Martin - 07-18-2011 Now this is a strange market strategy or just a rabid marketing ploy: why Japan first, and why all the surrounding silence in the rest of the world?? It makes no sense in these days of global economy, unless this is a gigantic beta-site plan.
And how limited is limited??
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ángel Martin - 07-18-2011 Maybe they changed the rounding algorithms, hey for what we know it may even have a non-lifting stack pi :-)
Sure it looks suspicious, oversight or intentional??
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-18-2011 I dunno - I would really want it with Michael's display. But I may buy one if it's priced reasonably here.
Walter
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-18-2011 Very clever - they decided to launch it in the country of the new world champion ;-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-18-2011 I want HP to keep it pure RPN, no AOS pls! the recent models all have algebraic, the manuals suffer as a result of having to explain how to use the calculators in RPN and AOS modes.
p.s. heheh, having JTAG connectors is a good idea, too, to allow power users to "repurpose" the HP 15C :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ángel Martin - 07-18-2011
Quote: into a basic business calc perhaps? - LOL.
So how limited is limited edition?
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ángel Martin - 07-18-2011
Quote: Hmmm, this is most intriguing - or somebody is tripping us all up knowing how predictable we are. But it could be related to the extended precision that (supposedly) the new machine has got - who knows, maybe they used a truncation to the classic 10-digit mantissa instead of a ROUNDING?
Gosh I'd hope not...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Dave Britten - 07-18-2011 Quote:
Probably depends on how many we buy, and how many more production runs they have to make to shut us up.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-18-2011 Quote: if HP had taken note of the Bring Back the HP 15C campaign, they would have released it in Australia, France, Germany, Hong Kong or USA first to gauge the response. http://hp15c.org/Countries.php
I was also wondering if such a newly re-introduced 15C would depress the auction prices in TAS ;-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Mike T. - 07-18-2011 Interesting - I wonder how long before the rest of the rest of the world gets them...? I want one! A long time ago one a chap I know at University moved to Japan and as a result we lost touch - perhaps it is time to renew his acquaintance..? Though the 15c appears to have its own page but doesn't feature on the page listing all the available models, though as I don't read Japanese it is hard to tell what is what.. Mike T.
Edited: 18 July 2011, 11:51 a.m.
new HP15c released in US - Lyuka - 07-18-2011 The color pdf manual of the hp-15C got available online now!
You will find the small hp-15C image in the page below, with 'Limited edition' letters on it! 'HP 15c Adv. Prog. Scientific Calculator '
Lyuka
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Michael de Estrada - 07-18-2011 Until there is some hard evidence that this is actually happening, it could just be a hoax. All we have is an unverified image that could just be the result of good artwork. Remember the old saying "Don't count your chickens until they are hatched."
Re: new HP15c released in US - hpnut - 07-18-2011 Hi Lyuka, I still can't find the HP 15C in the shopping cart! http://www.shopping.hp.com/can/calculator/HP/1/storefronts;HHOJSID=fZkJTkdpXq1HJsqnlKz42LX1TlxnfnGbQhGbQhtM2PkfpQzL1KV1!1516178979?jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/lateralnav_calculators so HP is just into releasing manuals of classics, eh? ;-)
hpnut in Malaysia
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-18-2011 Do you have the HP 67CX in mind? ;-)
http://209.197.117.170/item/product2.htm
Re: new HP15c released in US - hpnut - 07-18-2011 Lyuka, thanks for the heads up. the color pdf manual is nice, as are the interesting art illustrations in it.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 Where's Tim in all this? If it's true, he can't stay silent for too long.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Michael de Estrada - 07-18-2011 Exactly. Which is why I'm skeptical.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Peter Murphy (Livermore) - 07-18-2011 HP corporate switchboard told me this: * Call HP at 1-800-752-0900. * Ask (by voice prompt) for presales information and/or product information. * Stay on the line and do what you must to speak to a human. I did all that. The human hadn't heard this news. I gave him the first of the two URLs in NateB's 17 July 2:26 p.m. message. He put me on hold for a while and returned with this: Yes it was released in Japan yesterday 17 July. No, he has product information only, not prices, not even of US products and definitely not on this. He has no information regarding possible release in the USA. If it becomes available in the USA, however, pricing and ordering information thereon will be at the Home Office (HO): 1-888-999-4747. And have a great day, he says.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Jim Yohe - 07-18-2011 I was thinking the same thing. He's been pretty silent on it.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Steve Simpkin - 07-18-2011 Well if it is a hoax, it is a very good one. Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Tim Wessman - 07-18-2011 What do I need to chime in about? I'm just sitting back enjoying the whole show. :-) TW
Edited: 18 July 2011, 1:26 p.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 Then I suppose we will hear from Tim soon. Or not. HP has some strange ways...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Tim Wessman - 07-18-2011 There is no 15c launched in Japan, or anywhere else.
TW
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Glenn Dowdy - 07-18-2011 Yeah, quiet is as quiet does.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Glenn Dowdy - 07-18-2011 Especially with bad pi.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - NateB - 07-18-2011 Emulator then? That was my original thought...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 Maybe Peter Murphy (Livermore) is in on the 'hoax'?
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Jim Yohe - 07-18-2011 Just watching on the sidelines as the speculation mill churns ... :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Lyuka - 07-18-2011 Dear Tim,
Quote:
Of course, not yet.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-18-2011 Ok, congratulations, the pictures are well made. The golden print color just slightly off, like on some newer 12Cs. And the font employed for "Limited Edition" is one only US-Americans would use, so it looked pretty plausible to me.
Walter
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Jim Yohe - 07-18-2011 April Fools is three months past ...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 If you put the URL of the first site NateB cited into Google Translate, it says the web page is in the Chinese language (even though the address has ja in it). The translation does not yield much, but at the bottom it says: ©2011 Hewlett-Packard Development Company
So I am speculating (like everyone else here except Tim) that what NateB found is some sort of internal HP site (or masquerading to be one) related to product development. Which is why it's in Chinese. {:-) Edited: 18 July 2011, 2:11 p.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Michael de Estrada - 07-18-2011 Well, a few weeks ago I had my 65th birthday, and with the government threatning to cut back or eliminate Medicare, I'm not sure how much longer I have to go on this earth. I've decided to specify in my will that my HP-15C is to be buried with me, which should help keep prices up on TAS.
Re: new HP15c released in US - Katie Wasserman - 07-18-2011 You do realize that the color manual is the scan from Dave's DVD set available here. The watermark "copyright MoHPC" is still on some of the pages.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Lyuka - 07-18-2011 It is all written in not Chinese but Japanese.
#Google Translate must learn CJK more.
Re: new HP15c released in US - robert rozee - 07-18-2011 Quote: look at the bottom of the third page of the pdf, there is in light grey, the text "Scan Copyright (c) MoHPC". a little odd for a manual being genuinely published by hp? addendum: LOL, looks like katie spotted it at the same time as me!
Edited: 18 July 2011, 2:40 p.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Steve Simpkin - 07-18-2011 Walter, Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 Quote:It's all 'Greek' to me. Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ángel Martin - 07-18-2011
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Too bad then, I guess we'll flock to the clone and will give him the business instead.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Martin Pinckney - 07-18-2011 Quote:Lyuka, since you can read it, tell us what is says, please. Re: new HP15c released in US - Eric Rechlin - 07-18-2011 Quote: Technically HP owns the copyright for the manual. I think it's a little obscene that the HP Museum tries to claim copyright.
Eric
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Don Shepherd - 07-18-2011 Quote:
I wouldn't worry too much about HP. I'm sure their sales of 12c's are about a billion times what the sales of a 15c reissue would be.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Eric Rechlin - 07-18-2011 Quote: I can't read either Chinese or Japanese but I know enough about the characters used in the two languages to say that this is definitely Japanese. Chinese doesn't use katakana, which some of the characters on that page are.
Eric
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Scott Newell - 07-18-2011 Quote:My thought as well. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but haven't the last few calc introductions shown up in places like Amazon *before* the HP website? Seems strange that this time the website would actually be up to date (or even correct)!
Re: new HP15c released in US - Steve Simpkin - 07-18-2011 From the wording, I think the HP Museum Copyright is strictly for the scanning process. AFAIK, the HP Museum had permission to scan and re-distribute these manuals. I suspect that HP also reserved the right (either implied or explicitly) to use the scanned copies from the HP Museum as well.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Brandon Poindexter - 07-18-2011 Can anyone tell my how the page was actually found? I mean you go to hp.jp , pull down their drop down menu and select "PDA & (Japanese chars. for calculator)", but they have no actual listing published for the hp 15c.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Monte Dalrymple - 07-18-2011 I don't have a schedule for when there might be another assembly batch. Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Reth - 07-18-2011 Exactly! Now whoever brings it on the market first, wins. I'd still buy the clone though, there is a word given ;)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Lyuka - 07-18-2011 The guy at a BBS in Japan who found the page said (like this in Japanese),
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It must be a kind of serendipity :-)
Lyuka
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - db (martinez, ca.) - 07-18-2011 I don't think i am qualified to be one of the beta testers. Better that someone who can give you both complaints and possible solutions got it first. I guess i should have said something.
I've probably been on your list since we sat next to each other at the San Jose HHC where you gave the talk. I can wait a bit longer, but i'm still anxious to get one.
Re: new HP15c released in US - Eric Rechlin - 07-19-2011 Quote: I am not a lawyer, but I believe this has no legal basis. If you take a photograph of a painting, you do not own copyright of the photograph because no original work was created. I don't know if there is case law to support this, but I would imagine the exact same thing would apply to scanning a painting (or a manual or whatever). The HP Museum does not own the copyright of the PDF manuals for this reason. HP does, however, just like they have the copyright of the original manuals. HP is completely within their rights to distribute the scanned manuals that say "Copyright MoHPC", and it is entirely possible, if not likely, the MoHPC is violating federal law by claiming copyright here.
Eric
Re: new HP15c released in US - Jim Yohe - 07-19-2011 David Hicks wrote me not long ago for a somewhat related topic and said the museum had permission from HP to scan out of production calculator documentation.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Maarten Ambaum (Reading, UK) - 07-19-2011 Quote:
That first link now stopped pointing to the15C information. What's going on? HP marketing surely know how to screw up a product launch ...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Frank Rottgardt - 07-19-2011
Evidence for pending HP 15c relaunch dated April 2011
Re: new HP15c released in US - Gene Wright - 07-19-2011 Hey Jim.
I think Eric's point isn't that HP did not give Dave permission to scan these old documents, but whether the Museum can claim copyright to them.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Victor Quiros - 07-19-2011 Friends, I'm afraid we'll still have to wait from 6 - 12 months to have a definite word on this eventual release, which I truly *wish* :-). Kind regards from San José, Costa Rica.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Bart (UK) - 07-19-2011 This could be a ploy by HP to play legal cat-and-mouse, asserting their wish to still produce 15C's to have legal clout to stop the clones entering the market (e.g. considering "copyright and fair use" - would the clone impact HPs market? One could argue not if they weren't going to make any more). Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Bart (UK) - 07-19-2011 And one could argue that "announced" does not equal "launched" :-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Thomas Radtke - 07-19-2011 I'm sure Tim wouldn't be part of the game if the actual announcement wouldn't follow soon.
Will we again manage to find a US-dealer willing to ship that thing to Germany? :-) Edited: 19 July 2011, 1:42 p.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Thomas Radtke - 07-19-2011 Quote:One could argue that a 15c is not a 15C ;-). Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-19-2011 Hallo Frank, this source was discussed here some months earlier already. Please search the archive.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Walter B - 07-19-2011 Hallo Thomas, if it will take some time still, maybe the usual HP exchange rate taking 1,0 € for 1.0 $ may turn favourable for us - once ;-)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Mike Morrow - 07-19-2011 Or a HP-15C is not a HP 15C.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - NateB - 07-20-2011 All information has been scrubbed. Lyuka's posts are hot-linking the images of the calculator. I wonder how long those will stay up...
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Joerg Woerner - 07-20-2011 Please check HP Japan's Job Offer postings. I bet they are searching a new Intern for their product management / web-store ;-))
Cheers, Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-21-2011 sigh, i think someone is pulling off a big time hoax on us. I am disappointed :-(
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - JustinM - 07-21-2011 I don't think this was a hoax. I successfully ran the page through Google Translate before it was removed. It was in Japanese. It was an incomplete product page, with sections for specs and features that were empty. It looked like a rough draft of a web page that was accidentally made accessible on the public internet. Had the image shown up on some sketchy server or a Chinese rumor site then I'd be more inclined to think the "Limited Edition" logo was photoshopped. The fact that the image was hosted on an actual HP web site gives it a lot more credibility. The colors do look a bit off, the 'f' key is crooked, and pi is truncated instead of rounded, but it could be a prototype with a number typed into the display. As far as the display goes (including the contrast), it could easily have been simulated.
I think this (and the smaller version of this image on the US HP site) just verifies that a re-release will happen, but I wouldn't read anything into the product quality or try to predict timing yet. Edited: 22 July 2011, 12:16 p.m. after one or more responses were posted
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - hpnut - 07-22-2011 thanks, Justin.
hpnut in Malaysia
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 I haven't been on here in a long time it seems.
Dave.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - db (martinez, ca.) - 07-23-2011 No one is sure it's real. Tim says it's not. That should mean something, but someone finds wiggle-room in his statement. We may still be waiting for you to build one that straps to a wrist.
Have you been following the WP-34S?
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 Quote:
Tim had two choices here. If it was on the HP Japan site, then it's true. Doesn't mean they can't can it last minute though. But if it made the site, then it's probably gone to far and is likely imminent.
Quote:
Just noticed that.
Dave.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Paul Dale - 07-23-2011 Quote: I got sick of waiting for a scientific calculator I wanted to use so I wrote my own. Walter joined up very early to direct the layout and write the manual. Marcus joined earlier this year.
Quote: Exactly. The sourceforge site has the code and pre-compiled binaries.
Quote: By the 30b :-) The 20b's key are unchanged. The 30b, however, has a much nicer keyboard. It really is fairly pleasant to use and it uses the same internals.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 Quote: Well, things have changed since I was last on here. I'm now a full time video blogger, so in theory I should have a lot more time to spend on projects like the uWatch2 and the uCalc.
But somehow, I haven't! But you never know, that calc watch fetish might emerge again!
Dave.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Paul Dale - 07-23-2011 Quote: Great stuff. Long time coming...
Quote: These will do it every time. Congratulations. No time for many many years to come :)
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 Quote: So these keys are just stickers?
Looks awesome!
Dave. Edited: 23 July 2011, 7:41 a.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 I found this google cached page for HP India: And it says you get a "product CD with virtual calculator" in the box. And this supplier actually lists it!
Dave. Edited: 23 July 2011, 7:49 a.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Paul Dale - 07-23-2011 I'm not aware of anyone having worn them out yet. Time will tell.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Katie Wasserman - 07-23-2011 I don't think it's a question mark for long. There's a documentation link on -Katie
Edited: 23 July 2011, 9:51 a.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - bill platt - 07-23-2011 Note the "page not found" has replaced it :-(
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Ivan Latorre - 07-23-2011 Excellent news! Too many years have passed since the release of the 35s.
Me wants one!
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - NateB - 07-23-2011 I have screen captures of the pages before they were taken down if anyone is interested. It was on HP's Japanese site. Also, Google still has the cached images available. I also managed to dig up the spec sheet for the upcoming 30th Anniversary Edition 12c from the HP website. The part number format for the 12c (NW258AA) matches the part number format listed for the Limited Edition 15c (NW250AA). Also, the values of pi displayed on the 12c are the same as those on the 15... The 15c and 12c are also starting to show up on vendor sites. Here is an example. List price of $85.00 :)
Edited: 23 July 2011, 12:07 p.m.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - DaveJ - 07-23-2011 Quote: Looks like they have removed it.
Dave.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Eric Smith - 07-24-2011 Operating an e-commerce web site doesn't appear to be one of HP's core competencies. They routinely fail to have information about shipping products, or fail to allow purchasing them, but then they do have information about unannounced products.
They should outsource their web site to Amazon or something.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Thomas Radtke - 07-24-2011 A non-working information flow is rarely corrected by adding another components, imo. My company just introduced XML to get rid of some sources of problems :-). If anything fails, it happens where still word is used or something like web pages are manually edited. It is highly interesting how huge amounts of information can be successfully interpreted by very simple stylesheets and a few php scripts to get everything needed to put out one or two more or less new machines each day.
It takes only a handfull of technical writers to do it right. No need to outsource anything.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Eric Smith - 07-24-2011 The HP web site problems don't appear to have anything to do with the technical writers. It wouldn't be "adding another components", it would be replacing one set of components with another.
I've certainly seen plenty of outsourcing projects fail miserably, but I've also seen web and e-commerce sites outsourced to industry-leading companies with great results.
Re: new HP15c released in Japan - Thomas Radtke - 07-24-2011 Quote:Yes, it all depends on the kind of information to present. If you offer a shop and handle annoncements, you have to connect your data source somehow to another company. In the best case, only raw data as collected is maintained and everything is derived from it in time. You wouldn't want to provide a selective copy of your raw data to anyone, as this would mean to integrate and maintain one addition component. I'm talking about safety here. Synchronizing general changes is another problem to be solved. It's far easier to do this in a meeting than to transport all necessary information to another party.
BTW, don't underestimate the scope of technical writers. They don't just write. Actually, sometimes they even don't write at all. The german term for it translates to 'technical editor', which is more to the point.
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