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ADV or STD HEPAX? - Diego Diaz - 07-30-2010

Hi all,

I'm trying to restore an HEPAX module to its better day's splendor... :-)

The poor little thing arrived in a very bad state.

See pics:

Seems that someone has attempted sort of repair with little success.

It also seems that back in the late 80's silicon glue must be considered the coolest thing on earth! (what a mess) :-(

Ok, the silicon glue has been removed, the connector solders have been reworked and the RAM chip replaced (the original one had one broken pin, thus the tiny wire in the second PIC).

I need some help from those which may have pictures (or may take them) form HEPAX chip (MB671209U) both from STD and ADV HEPAX.

The question comes from the fact that the rebuilt HEPAX above arrived into an "ADV HEPAX" labelled shell, however, once rebuilt it shows only two pages of HEPAX RAM.

Also both port-detecting lines (B3 & B4) are connected to the HEPAX chip. Advanced HEPAX only needs B4.

But, to make things a little bit more confuse, the module shows up in CAT 2 as "HEPAX 1D".

Possibilities:

- Module is a late (ver 1D) STD HEPAX, and it was placed into the wrong shell.

- Module is an ADV HEPAX with a faulty address line, thus the lack of two RAM pages.

Questions:

Are there different chips for STD and ADV HEPAX?

Does someone have pictures to clarify this doubt?

Test which can also help:

With ADV HEPAX inserted into port 2, [<-] [ON] (perform memory lost)*, then execute "HEPAX 002" and check which page is HEPAX 1D using. Try with ports 4, 3 and 1.

*NOTE: [ENTER] [ON] [ON], may also work without losing main memory contents.

Any help will be very welcome.

"clonix41(at)gmail(dot)com" in case you can't place pictures in the forum.

Thanks and best wishes for the summer... ;-)

Diego.


Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Raymond Del Tondo - 07-30-2010

Hi Diego,

I thought the difference between STD and ADV HEPAX was that the latter has RAM pages at all..

Peter P should have pics of both variants;-)

Regards

Raymond


Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Diego Diaz - 07-30-2010

Hi Raymond,

Thanks for your reply, I'll mail Peter if he doesn't show up around here... ;-)

According to HEPAX manual Standard HEPAX comes with 8K (two pages of RAM) which are allocated to the port addresses where the HEPAX is plugged in... (that's exactly the way the module I've rebuilt is behaving) and Advanced HEPAX comes with 16K RAM (4 pages), and uses both ports addresses (1 & 2, if you plug it into port 1 *or* 2) or (3 & 4 if you plug it into port 3 *or* 4).

With this info alone, the referred module should be a Standard HEPAX. Which BTW is ok for me. The doubt arises from the fact that is shows-up in CAT 2 as HEPAX 1D. I assume that this is the ROM version for ADV HEPAX. (I may be wrong on that). At a more technical level there are two contradictory facts:

- On one hand, the Address line A14, required to address two more pages, is properly connected to the RAM chip. Thus pointint to an ADV HEPAX.

- On the other hand, the lines B3 and B4, required to sense the port in which the module is plugged in, are both connected. Pointing to a STD HEPAX, since ADV. HEPAX only needs B4.

Either case I'm very happy to have bring back to life a very badly damaged HEPAX module.

To whom may be interested in the "after" pictures, here they are:

Cheers.




Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Ángel Martin - 07-31-2010

What a superb restoration Diego! There's no telling that the before and after pics come from the same unit, fantastic job.

I can confirm (as though it were required, which it isn't) that the Advanced Hepax has 4 pages of memory as you indicate - so perhaps there's something elso wrong with that unit.

Saludos,
'AM


Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - J-F Garnier - 07-31-2010

I always suspected that the STD and ADV HEPAX varieties were only a marketing plan. The RAM chip is 32Kbytes in both cases, providing 16kwords. At the time (and still now), there was 8kbytes and 32kbytes chips but no 16kbytes chip.

The ROM version is independant of the STD or ADV variations. If I was the HEPAX designer, I would have differentiate the 2 variations at PCB level, maybe using a pin of the ASIC.

J-F


Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Diego Diaz - 07-31-2010

Hi Ángel, J-F,

Thanks for your kind words Ángel. A nice part of the good final appearance is thanks to the ceramic PCB which allows a high level of abuse.

J-F, as usual your contributions are both enlighting and accurate :-))

Paraphrasing Sting: "There's a little 'blue' spot in the 'board' today..."

One of the things that called my attention was this "blue spot" you can see in the pictures covering a few pins of the HEPAX IC.

It was suspictious just because:

a) it was completely useless

b) it was extremely hard

c) it was just covering four contiguous pins from which 3 are connect to Vcc and the other one was not connected to anything...

Took me about 30 minutes to remove... to find this:

Circled in blue the (astoundingly narrow) cuts, probably made by a diamond saw, since very few materials can cut ceramic with this precision.

The four pins are too conspicuous to be a sort of PCB strapping cofiguration as J-F, has pointed out.

Now, all that we need is some generous ADV HEPAX user who can confirm which of these four pins are connected/cutted in the ADV type module. (16 possibilities ar too many to test soldering/unsoldering...)

Hopefully every HEPAX module out there could be converted into ADV type... :-))

As a collateral effect I've ended up with a full detailed schematic of the HEPAX module. Will place it at TOS as soon as I move it from paper to file.

Cheers.

Diego.




Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Ángel Martin - 07-31-2010

wow, it'd be something if you had uncovered the HEPAX plot :)

Perhaps now we know why they were so keen on using silicon glue!

I wonder sometimes: where are all those people who created these masterpieces? How come they don't peep into this (or other forums)? I'd give an arm and half leg to have the documented source code for the HEPAX, or the CCD for that matter (BTW, I suspect *someone* must have them... I wish he'd share it with the community but no such luck).

Never mind, just rumbling about it I guess.

Cheers,
'AM


Edited: 31 July 2010, 7:57 a.m.


Re: ADV or STD HEPAX? - Diego Diaz - 07-31-2010

Hi again,

I think it can be assumed that the population of ADV HEPAX owners, who have the module case opened, and a handy multimeter is anything but large... ;-)

So, I decided to give a go myself and after some more testing here is the (so called) "HEPAX plot" unveiled:

The pins in the strap are numbers 40, 41, 42 & 43 (top to bottom). In fact #43 is internally connected to Vcc so it doesn't matter.

#41 is open (as seen in the picture above) for the STD HEPAX, just open #42 and you'll have an Advanced HEPAX in a snap!! ;-))

Hope someone can confirm my point (assumend someone dares to fiddle into his/her beloved Standard HEPAX...)

Thanks a lot for your comments and support, and enjoy your 41's!

Cheers from the Canary Islands.

Diego.

Edited: 31 July 2010, 11:28 a.m.