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HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-10-2009

Hi everyboby

I’ve found in a flea market an HP 42S in excellent cosmetic conditions. When I inserted batteries and turned it on I had no display and all keys (except ON) only played a beep when pressed and screen remained empty. The only way to turn it off was to remove batteries.
Pressing keys randomly I could see sometimes “Memory clear” on the first display line and the value of x register “x:0” followed by other figures I don’t remember on the second one. The batteries are good because they make an HP 12C and an HP 32S work fine.
I’ve tried all tips found here (and in the archives) and no way to make it work. Things I tried were :
- shorting battery terminals without batteries,
- E+, XEQ ON keys sequence,
- Reset key sequences as indicated in the owner manual.
I must add that the top of the right battery terminal is broken. Normally it looks like a reverse P and in my case it looks like an I. However, contact is made as I can hear beeps and see that screen is powered on.
Is contact surface important? Does anybody here have any idea on how to make it work?

Sincerely,
Michel


Re: HP 42S - Problem - hpnut - 08-10-2009

Hi Michel,

have you tried the self test?

http://www.rskey.org/~mwsebastian/selftest/hp_test.htm




Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-10-2009

Hello,

First of all thank you for your quick answer. Indeed I have tried these tests but without result. The fact is that when I press any key I ear a beep. For instance if I press 7 I ear a beep and I don't see 7 on the display. Even, I can't turn off the calculator using keys because [SHIFT] also plays a beep. In such a case, I'm not able to know if calculator freezes at boot or not. I'm quite desperate...


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Jeff O. - 08-10-2009

Michel,

I'm no expert, but it sounds like your unit has some sort of internal problem, i.e., it's not just a matter of clearing the memory or resetting it. If and when you decide that you have nothing to lose, Paul Brogger has written a couple of articles regarding how to disassemble Pioneers, see here and here. If you are lucky, perhaps it is a problem with the "zebra stripes." If you are unlucky, it is a keyboard problem.

...


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-10-2009

Thank you Jeff.

Opening the HP 42S would be the last solution because I have no skills at all in electronics (usually everything that works I open doesn't work after. I'm a kind of Attila ;-) ).

Michel


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Eric Smith - 08-10-2009

I have a 27S with the same problem. Leaving the battery out for more than a year didn't solve it. My best guess is that the electronics has suffered from ESD damage.


Re: HP 42S - Problem - DaveJ - 08-11-2009

Perhaps the tantalum decoupling cap has gone bung and is causing odd behaviour?

Try putting a 100uF cap across the battery terminals.

Internal shot for your reference:

Dave.


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-11-2009

Hello !!!

Is there any means (without opening) to solve this ?


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-11-2009

Hello !!!

Can you be more specific because I know nothing about electronics. Should I have to solder something in case I open the case ?

Michel


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Walter B - 08-11-2009

Bonjour Michel,

ESD means electrostatic discharge. If this is the cause of what you see, there is no way for you to repair this.

Cordialement,

Walter


Re: HP 42S - Problem - DaveJ - 08-11-2009

Quote:
Can you be more specific because I know nothing about electronics. Should I have to solder something in case I open the case ?

You just need to hold the capacitor across the battery terminals. Make sure you get the correct polarity though, it should be marked with either a minus symbol on the case next to the corresponding negative lead, like this:

Any electronic component shop should have one.

It's a long shot, but if you are out of options...

Dave.


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-11-2009

Hello Dave,

Thank you. I will ask some friends of mine for capacitor.

Michel


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-11-2009

Hello Walter,

Thanks, so I just hope it's something else. :(

Michel


Re: HP 42S - Problem - Michel Lahcem - 08-17-2009

Hello,

I'm a lucky guy. My wife found last saturday 2 HP 10B for 10 euros at a flea market. I think I will try to open one of them and then may be will open the 42S.

Thanks for your help.

Michel