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35s revision? - Rick Brown - 04-23-2008

I am in the market for a new scientific calculator and recently came across the 35s on HP's site. I did a little bit of research on it (mostly on this forum) and gather that there is a bug in the cos() calculations. Is there any information as to when an update that corrects this will be? or is there a way around it by using the sin() function and a trig identity? Sorry if this is a common / already answered question. Thanks for the help.


Re: 35s revision? - Paul Dale - 04-23-2008

The cos(x) bug is more a loss of significant figures near x=90. I doubt it will be fixed any time soon since the problem is also in the 33s and has been know about for ages.

I also doubt it is a significant problem for normal use of the calculator. Hence, it hasn't been fixed.


- Pauli


Re: 35s revision? (trig bug) - Karl Schneider - 04-23-2008

Rick --

Bugs stemming from calculation of sine and cosine of arguments far from zero -- but where the result is very near zero -- were introduced in the HP-33s and carried forward to the HP-35s. However, the bug was not discovered and reported in time to be corrected for either model.

The following MoHPC Forum post of mine was in a thread provided in electronic form by me directly to HP's lead calculator R&D person at the 2007 HHC Conference. I would certainly expect that any future revised version of the HP-35s will include a remedy for this bug:

HP-33s & 35s trigonometric bug tabulated

It's true, though, that the bug is not very serious. Results are still correct to at least six significant digits.

-- KS


Edited: 23 Apr 2008, 11:38 p.m.


Re: 35s revision? - Ivan Nejgebauer - 04-24-2008

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Is there any information as to when an update that corrects this [cos() loss of significant digits] will be?

Others have addressed the impact of the cos() glitch, but generally speaking, and judging by past experience, HP will probably quietly issue a bug-fixed 35s sometime in the next six months. It happened that way with the 33s -- only that one was more obvious since the updated calculator had a different display as well. (Actually, there was a production run with the new display, but old ROM; search the archives for the gory details.)

There is an article which lists known and suspected first-generation 35s bugs and annoyances. It shouldn't be too difficult to check a new calculator against that list (well, most of it).

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Re: 35s revision? - Rick Brown - 04-27-2008

Thanks for the replies. If HP does decide to issue an updated ROM is there any way to re-flash the one on board? Or would you have to purchase a new one?


Re: 35s revision? - Ivan Nejgebauer - 04-27-2008

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If HP does decide to issue an updated ROM is there any way to re-flash the one on board?

No. The 35s really has ROM, not flash, EEPROM or anything reprogrammable. You would have to buy a new calculator to get it.

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