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Strange HP 41C Card reader - jbssm - 01-27-2008

Hi all,

I tried to fix the HP 41C card reader, but now, the card passes fine but it only reads and writes correctly sometimes, the other times it either says "Malfunction" or "Incorrect Checksum (or something like that)".

Any ideas of what is wrong?

Thanks in advance,
Jorge


Thats not strange at all - Randy - 01-27-2008

"Malfunction" and or "Checksum Error" is just a sign that you most likely did something wrong...

O-rings or tubing?

Oversized o-rings will cause all manner of problems. They must be size 005, not 006. There's a guy on eBay selling o-rings that are the wrong size. I've repaired several of his "refurbished" readers that had intermittent problems. No wonder.

Did you set the force correctly with the eccentric cam?

A slipping clutch will cause that problem. Did you load the motor to check it?

Malfunction is usually a card position switch problem, Checksum Error is usually a card transport or bad card problem. Both are a sure sign of the card not passing through correctly.


Edited: 27 Jan 2008, 5:06 p.m.


Re: Thats not strange at all - jbssm - 01-27-2008

Hi Randy.

I used O-rings I bought from an Italian seller in eBay, I used them to repair an HP-97 and it works fine now.

I don't understand what you mean by:
"Did you set the force correctly with the eccentric cam?

A slipping clutch will cause that problem. Did you load the motor to check it?"


Re: Thats not strange at all - Randy - 01-27-2008

The plastic pin that holds the drive wheel in place is an eccentric, it is used to adjust the drive force against the card.

The procedure outlined below is fully documented in the 97 service manual:

Disconnect the leads of the motor from the board and power from an external 3 volt dc supply.

Insert a card into the slot but do not allow it to be pulled through.

Holding the card, adjust the eccentric for 180ma +/- 20 ma motor current.

If you cannot adjust to that current, you either have or will have a drive problem.

The wrong size rings is a very common problem, especially outside the USA since the proper ring, size 005, is non-metric.




Re: Thats not strange at all - jbssm - 01-28-2008

Hi,

"Holding the card, adjust the eccentric for 180ma +/- 20 ma motor current.

If you cannot adjust to that current, you either have or will have a drive problem."

Ok, I did it, although my measuring methods are not very accurate, I used a simple multimeter, the range of values I could get went from about 80mA to 98mA ... very different from the 180mA suggested.
I measured the Amperage directly in the motor connectors.

What can I do about this?

Thank you for all the help so far :)


Re: Thats not strange at all - Randy - 01-28-2008

Possibility 1: The o-rings are undersized.

Possibility 2: The motor to lead screw connection has failed and it is slipping. It is called a clutch but it use it does not and should not slip, it is a similar material to the wheel and does decompose with time. Squeezing the outside metal ring only makes matters worse. The best solution is to remove and clean everything, place a very small amount of superglue on the end of the motor shaft and reassemble. If the material has crumbled and failed, the vinyl insulation from an appropriate sized piece of wire can be made to work.




Re: Thats not strange at all - SOLVED - jbssm - 01-29-2008

Hi Randy,

I was indeed the o-rings fault.

I used this aviation tube a Portuguese seller gave to me when I bought one of his 41CV and with it the card reader works correctly :)

Thank you for all your help.

Edited: 29 Jan 2008, 7:43 a.m.


Re: Thats not strange at all - PROBLEM NOT SOLVED AFTER ALL - jbssm - 01-29-2008

After all not everything is correct.

Although the card reader reads fine, whenever I try to write a card is says "Low battery".
But I'm sure the batteries are good, cause I just tested with new batteries.
Can this also be a problem of the motor?


Re: Thats not strange at all - PROBLEM NOT SOLVED AFTER ALL - Randy - 01-29-2008

Test in another 41 and see if you can localize the problem.

You most likely have corrosion somewhere that is interfering with a contact. Start with the battery springs, then the battery/port block.