HP Forums

Full Version: Another poll until next Wednesday, 12.12.12, 12:12 UTC
You're currently viewing a stripped down version of our content. View the full version with proper formatting.

Hi all,

There may be different solutions for differentiating menus from functions on the keyboard. On the WP 34S, we printed menu labels underlined and got very positive response for that decision. On the HP-42S, menu labels were printed on a slightly different background color. There was a recent proposal to print menu labels inverted - i.e. black on light blue if I got this right. This doesn't look good, however, IMHO. Taking into account that the general color of the keyplate will be a brownisch black (like 25, 25, 13), the alternatives are:

Shall menu labels be printed on the keyboard either underlined or on a lighter background?

Please participate!

d:-)

Lighter background.

Lighter background.

Thanks.

Lighter background, of course.

I also edited the title, which was missing some important information...

Underlined. Easier for people who may have troubles with color vision.

lighter background

Quote:
I also edited the title...

Yes, I think it is a good idea to add the subject of the poll to the title.

lighter background

lighter background.

Lighter background

Neither. Do what all the operating systems do for menu items that open another dialog: Print the name with an ellipsis after it.

File
New...
Open...
Close
----------
Save
Save As...

I have, however, seen some apps (Lotus Note 8.5.x, for example) that use a right-pointing triangle instead of an ellipsis. Perhaps, since a calculator's menus appear on a display above the keyboard (usually), the triangle should be pointing upward.

  Cplx^

(That carat is used to represent a filled triangle, which must look different from any symbol used to indicate, for example, raising to a power... but you knew that.)

Discuss.

Dale

Underlined on a lighter background?

Hello!

Quote:
I have, however, seen some apps ... that use a right-pointing triangle instead of an ellipsis.

On MacOS (and iOS) which use the ellipsis as described, the right-pointing triangle means that there is a sub-menu to follow.

But yes, I would support the ellipsis concept if only I could vote for it!

max

I like Dale's suggestion. For space reasons, however, I'd prefer a shorter character than an elipsis. How about character 135 of Wingdings3 trailing all menu labels?

Edited: 5 Dec 2012, 1:47 p.m.

Any upward pointing Wingding could be confused with exponentiation. A right pointing Wingding looks like a greater than symbol. The true ellipsis symbol only takes up a single character and not three: …

My vote would be for …

Barring that, underline is preferable to the lighter background for my aging eyes.

Mark Hardman

Edited: 5 Dec 2012, 2:32 p.m.

I once proposed enclosing menu labels in colons, as illustrated below in my stillborn concept for a repurposed 30b. I don't recall if there was much reaction to that particular concept. I still like it as an alternative to underlining or printing on a lighter background.

...

Quote:
I once proposed enclosing menu labels in colons, as illustrated below...

When I look at your picture I must say: these colons are almost invisible - at least I have to look 2 or 3 times to recognize them.

I like the way it was done in the WP34s best, i.e. underlined. Of course the label could additionally have a different background color.

But I don't understand the need for such menu label on keys at all!? Since we have now 6 function keys and 6 text field above them (if I understand it correctly), I thought the purpose of those 6 keys would exactly be to activate and display all those menus (with different functions in it)? So the normal keys could be used for other heavily used functions.

Franz

Underlined.

Underlined.

underlined

Underlined.

- Pauli

Quote:
Hi all,

There may be different solutions for differentiating menus from functions on the keyboard. On the WP 34S, we printed menu labels underlined and got very positive response for that decision. On the HP-42S, menu labels were printed on a slightly different background color. There was a recent proposal to print menu labels inverted - i.e. black on light blue if I got this right. This doesn't look good, however, IMHO. Taking into account that the general color of the keyplate will be a brownisch black (like 25, 25, 13), the alternatives are:

Shall menu labels be printed on the keyboard either underlined or on a lighter background?

Please participate!

d:-)


Lighter Background - looks neater.

Lighter background

Personally, I prefer the underlined result. My reasons:

  • lower space costs
  • cleaner (lighter background would add another color)
  • easier to recognize under low lighting conditions.
But that's just one vote and YMMV.

d:-)

Quote:
But I don't understand the need for such menu label on keys at all!? Since we have now 6 function keys and 6 text field above them (if I understand it correctly), I thought the purpose of those 6 keys would exactly be to activate and display all those menus (with different functions in it)? So the normal keys could be used for other heavily used functions.

Almost ;-) You'll be free to assign them this way. We plan to have a fully user-assignable keyboard, however, so menu labels may show up at any location (read here, especially the paragraph about menus). I beg your pardon that text is a bit long but I'm confident you'll make it.

d:-)

Underlined. Easier to read under non-optimal light conditions.

Underlined

Underlined.

Underlined, thank-you

Actually underlining has higher space costs than inverse or lighter background...

Though I think the 42S actually had darker backgrounds for the menu keys :)

If I can't have inverse, lighter background :)

Quote:
I think the 42S actually had darker backgrounds for the menu keys :)

It has not - at least my two haven't.

d:-)

I like the ellipsis or caret symbol idea - easy to read and easier on the eye than either alternate background colour or underlined text.

Here are the counts up to now:

  • 12 votes for underlined menu labels (Didier, Mark H., fhub, Dave, Mike, Morten, Pauli, Walter, David G., Jeff, David H., aurelio)
  • 10 votes for printing menu labels on a lighter background (Silvio, Bart, Raimund, Massimo, Quan, Hans, Maximilian, Eddie, Ángel, Pete)
Counting this poll was easier than the previous one - there are less emotions included.

The last vote so far was dropped three days ago. Thus the next poll will probably run shorter.

d:-)

I almost missed this poll too...
It's not a strong preference for me, but I'd say lighter background. I think it's less cluttered...

Cristian

Thanks for your votes. After all, there are:

  • 12 votes for underlined menu labels (Didier, Mark H., fhub, Dave, Mike, Morten, Pauli, Walter, David G., Jeff, David H., aurelio)
  • 11 votes for printing menu labels on a lighter background (Silvio, Bart, Raimund, Massimo, Quan, Hans, Maximilian, Eddie, Ángel, Pete, Cristian)
Tight race. But the winner is ... underlined!

d:-)