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Silly me, just saw the text on the main page. "Available 6th August, taking orders now."

Also, a supplier has leaked the release date of the 35S as being August 1st.

Dave.

"Exactly the same specification as the Casio FX-85MS"

I still wonder why the HP 8s wasn't introduced worldwide. It seems like a decent enough calculator for an inexpensive non-RPN scientific. I was only able to get one by winning it as a door prize at a conference.

HP had something unique, why would they abandon it? Does the world need another Algebraic calculator?

Market share.

And there is a beginners RPN: the 33s and soon the 35s, and you could say a used 12c.

There is even a beginner's RPL: a used 28c or 48S.

I think what Sam ment is why can't people buy a beginers RPN at the same price point as the one he mentions. The ones you mention are all fine calculators, but the price point is higher.

I think it would really be nice for HP just to come out with a simple, but not overly complicated RPN at the $10 -$15 range. No real fancy functions, no R/S mode, just a simple calculator that can do what most basic calculators could do.

I'm sure there may be some people who would not buy them because they are a glorified 4 banger, but then I think some would because they are a less complicated RPN. I know my wife likes RPN, but she feels intimidated with all the other buttons. Anyone else know of anyone out there like that? I'm curious.

- John

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I'm sure there may be some people who would not buy them because they are a glorified 4 banger, but then I think some would because they are a less complicated RPN.

I'd buy a few to give away, just to introduce people to RPN. HP really missed the boat by not making an extremely inexpensive RPN model and giving away tens or hundreds of thousands of them to schools.

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Market share.

And there is a beginners RPN: the 33s and soon the 35s, and you could say a used 12c.


No way are the 33s or 35s "beginners" RPN calcs. They are much too complex.

A "beginners" or "general use" calc has basic scientific functionality and that's it. No programming capability, lots of dedicated keys, and an uncluttered key overlay.

A 4-banger would be almost useless, but a basic scientific with a "familiar look" to the average person would be terrific.

Dave.

http://www.casio.com/products/Calculators_%26_Dictionaries/Scientific_%26_Financial/FX-300MSPlus/
Does this lookk like a 4 banger?

The Aurora fn1000 is still available for about $25, though it is officially a discontinued item. I have been carrying one for 8 months now in my shirt pocket and have dropped it numerous times on a hard surface and it keeps on ticking. It hit hard enough to knock the clamshell cover off several times. It is a 12C clone and has very mushy keys, but I am impressed with the ruggedness and functionality.

Don

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http://www.casio.com/products/Calculators_%26_Dictionaries/Scientific_%26_Financial/FX-300MSPlus/
Does this lookk like a 4 banger?

No, of course it is not a 4-banger.

Sorry, I don't get your point??

Dave.

I wonder when hp is making these clones (hp 8s, hp 10s), do they need to obtain permission from Casio or anything

In this
thread we discussed visually about a 4-ops RPN calculator. Just a few days before the HP-35S news came out, we thought that it would be a good 35th anniversary product, because it could have been widely sold and easy-to-use. I myself did some to enhance Chuck's starting idea.

Look at it and tell us what you all think.

-- Antonio

Casio, like hp, no longer makes their own calculators, but instead relies on an OEM. I don't remember which one, but I'm sure hp could also get similar calculators made by the same OEM (or possibly duplicated by another).